Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-08 Thread Kacper Kowalik
On 05/08/2012 02:01 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: There's a server profile which could be the answer. I've never seen that as being a terribly useful profile. Servers tend to be very minimal configurations. Maybe if we

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-07 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 07:33:59AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote The bottom line is that we don't need 47 different profile targets - there will always be a use for 1 more. That's why we all run Gentoo - we aren't bound by the decisions made for us by the package maintainers. There's a server

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:  There's a server profile which could be the answer. I've never seen that as being a terribly useful profile. Servers tend to be very minimal configurations. Maybe if we ever ripped sshd out of the default profile we

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-06 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/06/2012 03:04 AM, Ben wrote: On 6 May 2012 08:29, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned this once a long time ago. We expect things to stay the same unless we do something to change them. If things change without us doing the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-06 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 06 May 2012 10:23:25 +0100 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/06/2012 03:04 AM, Ben wrote: On 6 May 2012 08:29, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned this once a long time ago. We expect things to stay the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-06 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think even heavyweight DE/WM usually needs ldap... Tend to agree. I don't think we want to create a new profile every time we want to change one of the flags. Some other questionable ones: emboss - Adds support for

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 06-05-2012 a las 07:33 -0400, Rich Freeman escribió: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think even heavyweight DE/WM usually needs ldap... Tend to agree. I don't think we want to create a new profile every time we want to change one of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-06 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/06/2012 03:01 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El dom, 06-05-2012 a las 07:33 -0400, Rich Freeman escribió: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Michał Górnymgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think even heavyweight DE/WM usually needs ldap... Tend to agree. I don't think we want to create a new

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-06 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 6 May 2012 07:33:59 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Some other questionable ones: emboss - Adds support for the European Molecular Biology Open We've had this discussion before... The question is not are people likely to want emboss?. The question is of people who use

[gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Maxim Koltsov
Hi, I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop' profile and noticed ldap among default USE flags. Why is that needed? I suppose there are more users w/o ldap auth on desktops than with it. So my proposal is to remove it from

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsov maksbo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop' profile and noticed ldap among default USE flags. Why is that needed? I suppose there are more users w/o ldap auth on desktops than

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 05/05/2012 08:10 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsovmaksbo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop' profile and noticed ldap among default USE flags. Why is that needed? I suppose there are

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Maxim Koltsov
2012/5/5 Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsov maksbo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop' profile and noticed ldap among default USE flags. Why is that needed? I suppose there are

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 05 May 2012 13:10:10 Alec Warner wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsov wrote: I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop' profile and noticed ldap among default USE flags. Why is that needed? I suppose there are more users

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/05/2012 06:10 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsov maksbo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop' profile and noticed ldap among default

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
On May 5, 2012 3:14 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/05/2012 06:10 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsov maksbo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I just installed fresh system on my pc, selected

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Dale
Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: On May 5, 2012 3:14 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org mailto:hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/05/2012 06:10 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Maxim Koltsov maksbo...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/05/2012 09:55 PM, Dale wrote: Not to mention, you add the possibility that the user may miss the change since they are not expecting it. I would expect it when I was changing profiles but not so much just coming out of the blue. We

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Francesco Riosa
2012/5/5 Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/05/2012 09:55 PM, Dale wrote: Not to mention, you add the possibility that the user may miss the change since they are not expecting it.  I would expect it when I was changing profiles but not so

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: I don't like this change much. There are valid use cases for an ldap use flag in the desktop profile that could break easily with this change. There are valid use cases for every USE flag in

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Dale
Michael Weber wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/05/2012 09:55 PM, Dale wrote: Not to mention, you add the possibility that the user may miss the change since they are not expecting it. I would expect it when I was changing profiles but not so much just coming

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Ben
On 6 May 2012 08:29, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned this once a long time ago.  We expect things to stay the same unless we do something to change them.  If things change without us doing the change, we tend to freak out a bit.  We don't need any freaking out. Sounds to me like

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Dale
Ben wrote: On 6 May 2012 08:29, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned this once a long time ago. We expect things to stay the same unless we do something to change them. If things change without us doing the change, we tend to freak out a bit. We don't need any freaking out.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: remove ldap from desktop profiles use flags

2012-05-05 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sat, 2012-05-05 at 21:20 -0500, Dale wrote: Ben wrote: On 6 May 2012 08:29, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned this once a long time ago. We expect things to stay the same unless we do something to change them. If things change without us doing the change, we tend to freak