On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:54:46 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Kent Fredric posted on Wed, 04 Sep 2013 23:38:40 +1200 as excerpted:
I see. I have a few gvim instances also reading/writing to that
terminal I didn't know about, interesting.
Which brings up the privacy point.
Tom Wijsman posted on Tue, 03 Sep 2013 23:16:11 +0200 as excerpted:
Currently the logs aren't
search and grep compatible because you have no indication where the last
error is and which process has output that
Quite apart from the ansi-color discussion, I've had reasonable luck
simply
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 06:25:14 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
Tom Wijsman posted on Tue, 03 Sep 2013 23:16:11 +0200 as excerpted:
Currently the logs aren't
search and grep compatible because you have no indication where the
last error is and which process has output that
Kent Fredric posted on Wed, 04 Sep 2013 23:38:40 +1200 as excerpted:
I see. I have a few gvim instances also reading/writing to that terminal
I didn't know about, interesting.
Which brings up the privacy point. Anything getting this fancy and
convoluted in terms of implementation is going to
On 03/09/2013 22:11, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:03:14 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 10:25:19AM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:21:52 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org
Dnia 2013-09-03, o godz. 17:03:39
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org napisał(a):
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution is obvious - default to writing plain text to log files and
give the user an option to enable escapes in the log if {s,}he
tisdag 03 september 2013 22.41.14 skrev Alan McKinnon:
I *do* like colorized text on my terminal, but I do believe we ought to
keep defaults sane - the minimum that could possibly work. Everything
extra should be optional
What about NOCOLOR=false in make.conf see man make.conf for more
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution is obvious - default to writing plain text to log files and
give the user an option to enable escapes in the log if {s,}he chooses
to have it. This does mean you can't use tricks with tee.
Not sure it is
On 03/09/2013 23:00, Magnus Granberg wrote:
tisdag 03 september 2013 22.41.14 skrev Alan McKinnon:
I *do* like colorized text on my terminal, but I do believe we ought to
keep defaults sane - the minimum that could possibly work. Everything
extra should be optional
What about
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 22:41:14 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
escape sequences in logs (any kind of logs) are basically noise, they
make search and grep hard to use.
But then why not implement matters that actually make search and grep
easier to use, see the new subject for
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
How would you handle progress reporting with this? Something like
'capture one thousand lines of updated percentages and merge them with
a magical pretty printer'? I don't see real gain compared to what we
have now.
There
On 03/09/2013 23:03, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution is obvious - default to writing plain text to log files and
give the user an option to enable escapes in the log if {s,}he chooses
to have it. This does mean you
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 23:22:21 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
So do what we've always done in Unix-land: leave the decision up to
the user. Build logs can always be regenerated (run emerge again) if
the ANSI sequences truly are vital whilst troubleshooting a specific
log.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/09/2013 23:03, Rich Freeman wrote:
It seems to me that the cleaner situation would be to capture
information in the logs, and use a pretty-printer of some kind to make
it look nice. Terminate output should be
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:17:49 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org
wrote:
How would you handle progress reporting with this? Something like
'capture one thousand lines of updated percentages and merge them
with a magical
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:03:39 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Log files are about capturing information. Escapes are about the
presentation of information - a reporting feature not unlike
pagination/etc. It wouldn't make sense to embed page numbers in a log
file - if they are
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:44:45PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote
+1 I am still not convinced we are experiencing an actual practical
problem for the majority of the build logs that are attached; we've
been doing this for years, why is it so suddenly considered a problem?
As I pointed out in a
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