Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 While I tend towards the cleaner design, not the don't fix what isn't *broken* approach -- I'm fine either way. But I think the handbook or some tool should obnoxiously spit the flags (and a minor justification for each flag and/or the set of flags)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 22 January 2013 03:28, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch admiraln...@gmail.com wrote: The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Alexander Berntsen alexan...@plaimi.net wrote: While I tend towards the cleaner design, not the don't fix what isn't *broken* approach -- I'm fine either way. But I think the handbook or some tool should obnoxiously spit the flags (and a minor justification

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 22/01/13 13:12, Rich Freeman wrote: As a long-time user, I can't put myself in a first-time user's frame of reference. But it would be useful for me whenever I'm installing Gentoo on a new device, if I were able to have the profile's USE-flags

[gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:12:06 -0500 as excerpted: Should we therefore list all the flags on the system and which ones are enabled and disabled? I guess we could, but it is a REALLY long list. In practice I find that the way I tend to use USE flags is that I just ignore

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-22 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:06:29PM +0100, Alexander Berntsen wrote As a long-time user, I can't put myself in a first-time user's frame of reference. But it would be useful for me whenever I'm installing Gentoo on a new device, if I were able to have the profile's USE-flags listed. (I know I

[gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
On 1/21/2013 02:01, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:27:18 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be much appreciated

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch admiraln...@gmail.com wrote: The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use directories have dozens of -flag entries for packages with ridiculous

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:51:54AM -0600, Dustin C. Hatch wrote The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use directories have dozens of -flag entries for packages with ridiculous defaults, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 02:28:47PM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch admiraln...@gmail.com wrote: The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 January 2013 03:28, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch admiraln...@gmail.com wrote: The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 January 2013 10:36, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I think we may have to admit that one size does not fit all. There are just too many individual scenarios. A truly minimal build should be sufficient to boot to a text console, and have networking and portage to be able to

[gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-17 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 17/01/2013 19:35, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: my 2ct: * dri and cups should probably be moved to desktop profile * pppd is a local useflag and should be enabled by default in the capi ebuild Definitely agree. Can