Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: People often reply aggressively to unrequested reviews People often replay aggressively when they feel aggressed. Food for thought? Denis.

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-16 Thread Duncan
Dirkjan Ochtman posted on Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:53:25 +0200 as excerpted: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 someone wrote: The only position you don't want vapier in is behind you. He humps. This seems rather wildly inappropriate. WTF? FWIW, it's apparently an inside joke going back many years, possibly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-14 Thread hasufell
Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov: В письме от Пт, 11 июля 2014 16:24:38 пользователь hasufell написал: However, basically having only a single person that actively does such reviews + no official overlay makes it hard for contributors. As I said previously, you (and any developer else) are free

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-13 Thread Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
В письме от Пт, 11 июля 2014 16:24:38 пользователь hasufell написал: However, basically having only a single person that actively does such reviews + no official overlay makes it hard for contributors. As I said previously, you (and any developer else) are free to get a reviewer role for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-11 Thread hasufell
Samuli Suominen: On 09/07/14 18:35, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: В письме от Вт, 8 июля 2014 18:22:50 пользователь Samuli Suominen написал: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and meeting the high quality ebuild syntax they've kept up... Samuli!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-11 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:24 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: However, basically having only a single person that actively does such reviews + no official overlay makes it hard for contributors. Is there still anybody left who wants to actually join the games team? I suggested that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-10 Thread hasufell
Samuli Suominen: On 09/07/14 18:35, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: В письме от Вт, 8 июля 2014 18:22:50 пользователь Samuli Suominen написал: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and meeting the high quality ebuild syntax they've kept up... Samuli!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/07/14 07:24, Tom Wijsman wrote: [...] confusions with newer people... Ironically; my first Portage tree action add a directory got a don't throw [expletive] into [games category] reply, before adding the ebuild. One really can't expect new people to start to address a team like that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/07/14 19:17, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 07/09/2014 01:22 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: And some personal thoughts about the initial proposal... I don't care about the suggestion 3. in mgorny's proposal at all, but

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Tue, 08 Jul 2014, Jonathan Callen wrote: On 07/08/2014 08:32 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: It certainly differs between distros. Debian generally uses /usr/games and has a games group for score files. Fedora has chosen to ignore the FHS and installs everything in /usr/bin. IIUC, they also

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/07/14 07:24, Tom Wijsman wrote: [...] confusions with newer people... Ironically; my first Portage tree action add a directory got a don't throw [expletive] into [games category] reply, before adding the ebuild.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Sergey Popov
09.07.2014 03:08, hasufell пишет: Pacho Ramos: What kind of games packages does he want to maintain in a strictly way? Maybe one way to cooperate would be to have two herds: - games-base (or similar) - the more stricter and the one Mr_Bones would likely still prefer to handle himself. It

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
В письме от Вт, 8 июля 2014 18:22:50 пользователь Samuli Suominen написал: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and meeting the high quality ebuild syntax they've kept up... Samuli! With all my respect to you personally, please, don't tell anything about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: But, honesly, i can not see problem in this. We have similar problem in ARM team, which was fixed by electing new leads by those, who really did most of ARM stuff AND actively responds on e-mails. Doing this and giving

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/07/14 18:35, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: В письме от Вт, 8 июля 2014 18:22:50 пользователь Samuli Suominen написал: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and meeting the high quality ebuild syntax they've kept up... Samuli! With all my respect

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:06:11 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/07/14 07:24, Tom Wijsman wrote: [...] confusions with newer people... Ironically; my first Portage tree action add a directory got a don't throw [expletive] into [games category] reply, before adding

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 21:01:02 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/07/14 18:35, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote: В письме от Вт, 8 июля 2014 18:22:50 пользователь Samuli Suominen написал: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Michał Górny wrote: iii. that the games group along with the game-specific install tree should be deprecated and phased out. Games should be installed alike any other applications. The install locations (/usr/games, /usr/share/games, /var/games, etc.) are specified by the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Michał Górny wrote: iii. that the games group along with the game-specific install tree should be deprecated and phased out. Games should be installed alike any other applications. The install

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 07/08/2014 07:45 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dear Community, First of all, please do not take this personally. I don't want to attack any member of the games team or the team in general. I respect their experience and long-term contribution to Gentoo. However, I strongly disagree with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/08/2014 07:45 AM, Michał Górny wrote: 1. that the games team has authority over the actual maintainers on every game ebuild, Why is Council intervention needed to abolish these policies? They're not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-07-08, o godz. 20:52:49 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 07/08/2014 07:45 AM, Michał Górny wrote: I would like to ask the Council to abolish the following policies that have been established by the games team: 1. that the games team has authority over the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The games team believes that they're binding. In fact, I recall one of the team members remarking explicitly that they're going to alter ebuilds that were committed without their approval. In fact, they did remove ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: The install locations (/usr/games, /usr/share/games, /var/games, etc.) are specified by the FHS. So they're not entirely games team policy. I just checked some random packages on

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 07/08/2014 09:38 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-07-08, o godz. 20:52:49 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 07/08/2014 07:45 AM, Michał Górny wrote: I would like to ask the Council to abolish the following policies that have been established by the games team: 1.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Michał Górny wrote: In fact, they did remove ebuilds from the tree in the past for this reason [1]. Given that this was a live ebuild that failed to compile [2] and was dumped onto the games team few weeks after it was committed to the tree [3], I can even understand their

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
2014-07-08 14:42 GMT+02:00 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Michał Górny wrote: In fact, they did remove ebuilds from the tree in the past for this reason [1]. Given that this was a live ebuild that failed to compile [2] and was dumped onto the games team few weeks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-07-08, o godz. 08:10:14 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The games team believes that they're binding. In fact, I recall one of the team members remarking explicitly that they're going to alter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: [3] I remved myself from maitnainership as I found out I don't have enought time to work on stuff in Gentoo to keep myself only in office and to make them working... So if they didn't want the live version it is perfectly sane reasoning for pruning

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Michał Górny wrote: In fact, they did remove ebuilds from the tree in the past for this reason [1]. Given that this was a live ebuild that failed to compile [2] and was dumped onto the games team few

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-07-08, o godz. 09:38:08 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Uh, and what is up with games-strategy/openxcom and games-engines/openxcom? Was the re-introduction a dup? If so, then removal of it makes sense, though for that reason, and not simply because it was added without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Maxim Koltsov
2014-07-08 16:10 GMT+04:00 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The games team believes that they're binding. In fact, I recall one of the team members remarking explicitly that they're going to alter ebuilds that were

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/07/14 17:18, Maxim Koltsov wrote: 2014-07-08 16:10 GMT+04:00 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org mailto:ri...@gentoo.org: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org mailto:mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The games team believes that they're binding. In

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 07/09/2014 01:22 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: And some personal thoughts about the initial proposal... I don't care about the suggestion 3. in mgorny's proposal at all, but 1. and 2. should definately stay as is. What authority does the game team have over anything? Did it get special

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/09/2014 01:22 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: And some personal thoughts about the initial proposal... I don't care about the suggestion 3. in mgorny's proposal at all, but 1. and 2. should definately stay as is.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread hasufell
Samuli Suominen: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and meeting the high quality ebuild syntax they've kept up... There is no games _team_. There is Mr_Bones_ (and I have learned a lot from him and am able to collaborate with him). And that is that.

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 07/09/2014 02:58 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/09/2014 01:22 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: And some personal thoughts about the initial proposal... I don't care about the suggestion 3. in mgorny's proposal at all,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 08-07-2014 a las 17:15 +, hasufell escribió: Samuli Suominen: It seems to me like people aren't making the effort of joining to the team and meeting the high quality ebuild syntax they've kept up... There is no games _team_. There is Mr_Bones_ (and I have learned a lot

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread hasufell
Pacho Ramos: What kind of games packages does he want to maintain in a strictly way? Maybe one way to cooperate would be to have two herds: - games-base (or similar) - the more stricter and the one Mr_Bones would likely still prefer to handle himself. It would take care of central libs

[gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Jonathan Callen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/08/2014 08:32 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: The install locations (/usr/games, /usr/share/games, /var/games, etc.) are specified

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/07/14 19:17, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 07/09/2014 01:22 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: And some personal thoughts about the initial proposal... I don't care about the suggestion 3. in mgorny's proposal at all, but 1. and 2. should definately stay as is. What authority does the game team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The request to abolish games team policy

2014-07-08 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 06:55:54 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/07/14 19:17, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 07/09/2014 01:22 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: And some personal thoughts about the initial proposal... I don't care about the suggestion 3. in mgorny's proposal at