Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-07-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:39:54 +0200 Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a culture-fit score in the recruiting, mentoring process. Maybe we should require everyone to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Roy Bamford
On 06/19/13 18:35:49, Markos Chandras wrote: Hi, It is unfortunate to observe constant bullying, insults and trolling across our public media. Developers have been warned over and over that such behaviour is not acceptable and they should try to behave properly. However, people have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Luca Barbato
On 06/20/2013 05:53 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Does this mean the QA lead finally gets to suspend people who are patently not suited for developing a stable distribution without asking devrel? Because last time we got into the same judge, jury, and executioner argument, which I guess was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Markos Chandras
On 20 June 2013 04:53, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: Does this mean the QA lead finally gets to suspend people who are patently not suited for developing a stable distribution without asking devrel? Because last time we got into the same judge, jury, and executioner

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Fabio Erculiani
The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a culture-fit score in the recruiting, mentoring process. -- Fabio Erculiani

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a culture-fit score in the recruiting, mentoring process. As an employee that works for a company that requires a culture

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a culture-fit score in the recruiting, mentoring process. As an employee that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a culture-fit score in the recruiting,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2013 03:07 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 08:11 AM, hasufell wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:07 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Petteri Räty
On 20.6.2013 16.07, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 07:49 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: On 20.6.2013 14.01, Matthew Thode wrote: On 06/20/2013 03:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Michael Weber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [talking about recruiting] Please don't focus on new arrivals, we should all be under investigation. I don't know the distribution of dev-ship-duration, but (hopefully) it's long enough to justify a look at the stock. And it's not fair to pick on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Matthew Thode
On 06/20/2013 08:32 AM, Michael Weber wrote: [talking about recruiting] Please don't focus on new arrivals, we should all be under investigation. I don't know the distribution of dev-ship-duration, but (hopefully) it's long enough to justify a look at the stock. And it's not fair to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: And it's not fair to pick on the candidates by putting them under close watch (mentor ship, probation already in place) and let the established ones walk away. Tend to agree, and I don't think it is as productive either.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Rick Zero_Chaos Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/2013 04:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually graduates from kindergarten :-) And perhaps introduce a culture-fit score in the recruiting, mentoring process. Fabio, How about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-20 Thread Fabio Erculiani
Thanks for the offer, I appreciate it, but I have to decline this time. -- Fabio Erculiani

[gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, It is unfortunate to observe constant bullying, insults and trolling across our public media. Developers have been warned over and over that such behaviour is not acceptable and they should try to behave properly. However, people have ignored

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 06:35:49PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote: For me, this problem is critical. Devrel is working on formalizing a new policy, and we will announce news on this soon. In the meantime, to prevent further escalations, I will use my lead powers to request immediate bans

RE: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread gmt
on Wed, 19 Jun 2013, at 10:35, Markos Chandras thusly quipped: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, It is unfortunate to observe constant bullying, insults and trolling across our public media. Developers have been warned over and over that such behaviour is not acceptable

RE: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
Gentoo developers have been resigning from the project because they got burned out by dealing with ad-hominems, insults, and flames. I do not see CoC enforcement as some sort of plot to enforce groupthink or silence debate, but as an attempt to fix the real problem of burnout and talent drain.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 03:43:41PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: Gentoo developers have been resigning from the project because they got burned out by dealing with ad-hominems, insults, and flames. I do not see CoC enforcement as some sort of plot to enforce groupthink or silence debate,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, g...@malth.us wrote: Am I the only one who feels that trolling, abuse, and so forth, are largely in the eye of the beholder, and that lively, impassioned, constructive debate may seem to many readers like hyperbole and ad hominem attack? Hence my comment that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Luca Barbato
On 06/19/2013 09:15 PM, g...@malth.us wrote: Sorry to hear you have such a low opinion of the socialization of Gentoo developers. Since I'm not one of them, I'll just put forth my 2c in on this, without fear of consequences. Yet even users not behaving will get a friendly warning and might be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-06-19 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Does this mean the QA lead finally gets to suspend people who are patently not suited for developing a stable distribution without asking devrel? Because last time we got into the same judge, jury, and executioner argument, which I guess was just sent for the gallows (pun intended). Mind, it's