On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
A mission statement only goes so far. The underlying leadership has to
make sure that statement is upheld and kept alive. Too many folks have a
mission statement, but no one ever remembers what it is or abides by it.
I guess there isn't
Hi all,
I'm wondering if there is an easy way to get a keyring with all
developer gpg keys pushed to users.
I know that carpaski had at one point put such a keyring online, but it
hasn't been maintained.
So right now you'd have to go through the website (fetch the keys from
the roll-call page
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 20:49 +0100, Grobian wrote:
On 02-01-2006 20:03:54 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 12:50 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
I guess I'm almost hinting at that Gentoo needs a single entity that's
sole purpose is to drive/research the direction and goals
On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 15:03 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Lance mentioned something about what he sees is a niche where Gentoo
does quite well. Produce the best software distribution, ever sounds
a bit vague to me. That's why I agree with Lance for now. Maybe after
a little research,
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 09:04 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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Patrick Lauer wrote:
| Hi all,
|
| I recently ran into an interesting problem:
|
| One app I have seems to trigger a bug in Python 2.4, so I want to use it
| with Python 2.3
Hi all,
as the debate about the future direction of Gentoo continues it's
getting more and more obvious to me that there's a lack of information
skewing the debate. It seems that while most devs (and users) have a
good idea what's happening in their projects it's quite difficult to
see what is
Hi all,
as you might have read in the GWN already we're going to be present at
FOSDEM [1] in Brussels next weekend, February 25 and 26. Sunday will
feature some talks by devs in our own devroom, Saturday will be limited
to a small booth as there aren't enough devrooms.
The talks [2] include
Hi all,
at FOSDEM we had a nice discussion about languages, translations etc.
Having people from the US (wolf31o2) who never have problems and people
from Japan (usata) who always have problems with encodings /
charsets / ... was quite interesting.
During that discussion we realized that having
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 13:50 +0100, Lars Weiler wrote:
* Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06/02/28 11:58 +0100]:
Enabling the unicode useflag in the profiles should help our
international users and should not cause any problems. Are there any
known bugs / problems this would trigger? Any
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 14:52 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:17 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| You still haven't posted posted a *single example* of webapp-config
| brokeness. You, I'd say you should either back up claims about all
| the ways in which
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 15:42 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:26:37 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If you can't do any better, then please apologize for your conduct
| and false claims and shut up... TIA.
Sure I can do better. But you didn't originally ask for
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 17:38 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Sheesh, you'll probably claim that this isn't broken next too:
if [ ${IS_UPGRADE} = 1 ] ; then
einfo Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}
emerge -C ${REMOVE_PKG}
fi
Ciaran,
(and this is valid for all emails to
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 18:19 +, Stephen Bennett wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:59:49 +0100
Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(and this is valid for all emails to technical lists,)
please save us some time and many emails by stating what is wrong when
you show a QA violation
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:14 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
So, back to the big issue, are there any real complaints about the QA
team essentially formulating QA policy? Should new QA policies instead
follow the same rules as new global USE flags or eclasses--an e-mail to
-dev asking for
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 22:50 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:42:34 +0100 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| (We'll file bugs on Saturday if there are no objections to removal
| of mkdir in global scope)
Eek no. Have you any idea what happens when someone shoves
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 09:01 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
[snip]
* There's nothing in this policy about end users. If this QA team is
not *focused* on delivering benefit to end users, then (as has
happened this week) it becomes a self-serving team, focused instead on
what can only be described
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 15:24 +0100, Matthias Langer wrote:
I'm just curious: What is the reason that firefox-1.5.x is still in
~arch ?
Looking at bugreports it seems that firefox 1.5 has - at least on some systems
- quite serious issues.
Some users report excessive memory usage, I've masked it
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:33 +0200, Grobian wrote:
Maybe user-rel should, together with GWN bridge this problem by keeping
the source of news anonymous? Just to use it as teasers of what kind of
things are being done in Gentoo's kitchen?
Of course this only holds for new projects like in your
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 15:55 -0400, Kevin wrote:
Which is it, Chris?
You've taken that out of context ...
Make up your mind...
I think he has, but wasn't able to communicate his ideas to you in an adequte
way
For all the credit that I give to the Gentoo developers, you are one
from whom I
Hi all,
I had this random idea that many of our distfiles are .tar.gz while more
efficient compression methods exist. So I did some testing for fun:
We have ~15k .tar.gz in distfiles. ~6500 .tar.bz2, ~2000 others.
A short run over 477 distfiles spanning 833M gave me 586M of .tar.bz2 -
roughly
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 10:30 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 06:30:23PM +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote:
We have ~15k .tar.gz in distfiles. ~6500 .tar.bz2, ~2000 others.
A short run over 477 distfiles spanning 833M gave me 586M of .tar.bz2 -
roughly 30% more efficient
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 22:36 -0500, Jon Hood wrote:
Hey Patrick,
I agree, tar.bz2 is the way to go when possible, but I have many
friends on old bsd-based systems and some old linux boxes I must
maintain that don't have bzip2 support. Normally if I know a package I
write is going to need
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 08:50 -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote:
Patrick,
did you benchmark CPU load? Often bzip2 takes 3x as long to
uncompress a package than bzip. Often, the space savings doesn't
justify the cost of how long it takes for the cpu to decompress the
archive.
I did not compare
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 14:54 -0500, Mike Doty wrote:
Developer relations has started a discussion about how to handle
etiquette problems on public communication channels. The discussion is
currently taking place on the gentoo-devrel mailing list. This list is
public and we appreciate anyone
Hello all,
I flood you again with a long email. Apologies to all that don't
want to read so much, but it is a problem of rather high importance that
has not really been fixed, and the first discussions happened in 2003 as
far as I can tell. Time to FIX IT!!!
The problem, in short, is how to
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 10:46 +0100, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
The only attack most people really care about is a compromised rsync
server. There is no practical way to protect against the other attacks
- and at the end of the day, if a developer gets compromised it
doesn't matter whether it's a
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 15:13 +0100, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
There are now several hundred gentoo developers. It is more likely
that one of them has a security lapse than cvs.gentoo.org.
One is a local bug, the other one global.
I'd prefer a system that is resilient against two devs going crazy -
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 22:03 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
If there is anything you or genone need to make signing happening you
have to the full support of the
council
That should not be difficult if the proposal is discussed and accepted
by all other groups
infra
it should be non-invasive and
On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 10:13 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Patrick Lauer wrote:
Signing strategies
==
Once there is an agreement on what files to sign with what kind of keys
there remains the question how to sign it. There are at least three
strategies:
[...]
I
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:06 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
You don't need a subversion client, you perhaps notice the http in front
of the url.. just open it up in your browser and you get the source
immediately.
Umm... so now I need to go and instead of clicking a nice link in
bugzilla,
On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:14 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Since when was overlays.gentoo.org supposed to even be a service to our
users? As I understand it, the goal was to ease development, not to
provide an easy method for half-working ebuilds to make it to our user's
machines.
What's
. Reliability. The GWN claims to be a weekly publication, yet it
frequently fails to publish without prior warning. There was no edition
this week, and Patrick Lauer says that it is unknown whether there
will be an edition next week as Ulrich Plate is AWOL.
We have tried to get a backup structure
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 11:37 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
Have the GWN posted to -core in a sane time period prior to it's
release. I seriously doubt anyone cares about whether the publication
is always on time (whatever that may be).
So what would a sane time period be? 12h? 24h?
The problem
On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 07:37 -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote:
I'd like to propose some form of ability to post user comments to GWN
stories. I suppose a full blown CMS system would work,
(Ab)using a blog for that might work
but for the ease
of time I'm suggesting that perhaps we open up a GWN
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 22:18 +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote:
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 06:50 -0500, Joshua Nichols wrote:
OK, so - java folks, please, take your java migration overlay bugs
somewhere else from bugzilla.
The gentoo-java developers have been working their tails off for over a
year
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 21:38 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:14:12 +0200 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Just to take this to a humorous extreme -
| would you be content if sunrise ceased all operations?
That's not a humourous
On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 02:46 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
well it's about that time of the year ... time for nominating people
for the next Gentoo Council
So here's my nominations:
Flameeyes
brix
lu_zero
kosmikus
Stuart
jakub
marienz
patrick
--
Stand still, and let the rest of the
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 09:54 -0400, Michael Crute wrote:
Sorry to start yet another thread on this but all the others seem to
have just turned into a shouting match among developers... and sorry
if this has already been covered.
It seems that the most logical solution to the Sunrise problem
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:48 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote:
[snip]
patrick (nope)
I'm the alternative. Vote well or you'll have to live with me :-)
I hope that this motivates _everyone_ to vote ...
On a more serious note, I hope this mailinglist doesn't degenerate into
a political campaign. To
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 18:21 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote:
The difference is that I argue, while you accuse me to play false. I consider
this as ad hominem and together with all this FUD and BS calling, in
contrary to my email, inflammatory.
... and that is inflammatory :-)
I'd appreciate,
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 19:03 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote:
Jakub Moc wrote:
Broken bugzilla affects every ebuild dev, affects GDP, affects bug
wranglers, affects anyone else who's using it to track outstanding
project issues. How is this continuous borkage not a global issue that
council
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:20 +, Alec Warner wrote:
No, not really. Just that I'd expect kinda more proactive approach than
the one demonstrated fex. in
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128588#c29 (and a bit more
flexible approach to other alternatives, such as HW/hosting offers
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:48 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
Patrick Lauer wrote:
(Note to our sponsors: you rock. Keep on rocking.)
Right now bugs is served from a 2,4Ghz P4 - that's roughly a normal
desktop box from last year.
You have no concept of where the bottle neck is.
I have
On 11/23/12 21:17, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:45:56 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 11/20/12 21:57, Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:10:51 + (UTC)
Patrick Lauer (patrick) patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
patrick 12/11/16 09:10:51
On 11/23/12 22:32, Thomas Sachau wrote:
Ian Stakenvicius schrieb:
On 22/11/12 11:22 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:22:10PM -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
On 11:11 Sun 18 Nov , Robin H. Johnson wrote:
Here's a list of every package where I'm a maintainer and there
On 11/28/12 15:25, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 11/27/2012 02:43 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
After discussing it at:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/262834
...
Apache itself is in need of some attention these days. The ChangeLog
shows only Patrick committing in the last six
On 12/17/12 08:10, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment
On 12/26/2012 05:39 PM, Kent Fredric wrote:
I know, it should be easy, and I'm probably making excuses, but it boils
down to
Well, it boils down to you needing an excuse ;)
1. People in Gentoo have asked me to/encouraged me to do the quizzes
2. I've tried several times
3. Still not there.
On 01/19/2013 09:39 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe x11-qt, or dev-qt, or just qt, or qt-qt if we must have a hyphen
for its own sake and we're just making senseless stuff up. qt-core
just doesn't make sense if it
On 02/03/2013 09:45 PM, Ralph Sennhauser wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:46:52 +0100
Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
dev-libs/boehm-gc
Will take this one in a few days if no one else grabs it first.
Since it's a dependency of one package I maintain (dev-lang/opendylan) I
have a
On 02/10/2013 05:01 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (10 Feb 2013)
# Fails with gcc-4.7, crashes (#301946, #312073), problems with
# boost (#319921), problems with python-2.7 (#338826), really old
# version in the tree, people should move to sci overlay one (#424659).
#
On 03/24/2013 09:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Markos Chandras wrote:
The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that
decision.
You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological
impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say,
having an
On 05/01/2013 11:25 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:
Since people like to start whinging threads every time we have to change flags
on gcc this is a friendly notice of some upcoming changes.
[snip lots of good ideas]
Any thoughts?
I'm in favour of unleashing 4.8 in ~arch soon - I've been building
On 06/16/2013 04:37 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (15 Jun 2013)
# Upstream dead for ages, nothing requires it, wrongly
# generated .la files (#201440). Removal in a month.
rox-base/rox-clib
No :)
I've commented out that mask in package.mask because:
On 07/19/2013 02:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
The problem I hit usually:
There are some packages that rely on X for some tests, that way, when I
for example emerge tk, it's nearly impossible to keep working because I
get tons of windows opened and closed.
Wouldn't be better to make that
On 08/07/2013 09:14 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote:
On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber wrote:
Greetings,
Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires
systemd.
What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this
restriction, enabling all
On 08/08/2013 04:47 AM, hasufell wrote:
On 08/07/2013 09:55 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:32:39AM -0400, Alex Xu wrote:
AFAIK, the status is unimplemented, and nobody's working on it.
No, I did post implementation patches for much of it back when the GLEPs
were in
On 08/08/2013 10:01 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by
the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.
Yes it is, because our policy has
[snip]
On 08/08/2013 05:26 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
OpenRC is just one init system that Gentoo supports. Gentoo does
not require the use of OpenRC any more than it requires the use of
portage as the package manager.
So would you stabilize a package that works with paludis, but not with
On 08/09/2013 06:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd
and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice.
We are
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement openrc support.
Invalid upgrade path.
The upgrade path is to install
On 08/09/2013 07:37 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone
remembering the KDE overlay getting paludised and the fallout from
that?)
That's a very selective
On 08/09/2013 07:45 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users
On 08/09/2013 08:28 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
You just removed the upgrade path for users.
Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative.
Gentoo with systemd is as Gentooish a configuration as Gentoo
On 08/09/2013 11:12 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:50:24 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
So users will have gnome working but not any other component? How can
this a good service for users?
Just like we can't ensure that everything builds with LLVM doesn't mean
On 08/09/2013 10:59 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300
Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote:
There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than
openrc (baselayout).
Was there the decision to only support a single layout on Gentoo? Where?
You kids
On 08/14/2013 10:17 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:07:32 +0400
Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote:
I am all for the standarts, but as we did not brought sets to PMS
yet(when we updated it for EAPI changes), my question is: 'why?'. It
is one of the long-standing feature
On 08/14/2013 09:02 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Right now, however,
it might be useful if only to get a sense for how they're being used,
trade ideas, etc.
No, we can't. Sets are portage-specific, the tree needs to
On 08/14/2013 11:43 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:41:03 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/14/2013 10:17 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 17:07:32 +0400
Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote:
I am all for the standarts, but as we did
On 08/14/2013 11:44 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:41:56 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/14/2013 09:02 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Michael Palimaka
kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: Right now, however,
it might be useful if only
On 08/13/2013 04:10 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
As per my comment in bugzilla [1] I said that the patch should be
submitted upstream prior having it in cvs.
Yet you decided to completely ignore my statement and just smash in the
patch anyway [2].
Please don't do this ever again. We had
On 08/14/2013 11:54 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:50:36 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/14/2013 11:43 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:41:03 +0800
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/14/2013 10:17 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote
On 08/15/2013 04:21 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 14 August 2013 21:17, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, hasufell wrote:
And their lack of time (to be polite) should not block general
progress in gentoo.
Perhaps these basic notions of how Gentoo development works
On 08/15/2013 04:56 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 14 August 2013 21:41, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/14/2013 10:17 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, hasufell wrote:
And their lack of time (to be polite) should not block general
progress in gentoo.
Perhaps these
On 08/15/2013 03:15 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 15 August 2013 00:42, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 08/15/2013 04:21 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 14 August 2013 21:17, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, hasufell wrote:
And their lack of time
On 09/25/2013 03:07 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
(unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits
which is a worrying argument on its own)
11:16 #gentoo-bugs: +bonsaikitten ago: do me
tl;dr: We should use EAPI5 features
I've noticed some libraries (e.g. poppler) having (almost) all their
consumers migrated to eapi5 subslots.
So upgrading those is now really neato.
Other libraries are still a bit less optimal. So there's lots of
revdep-rebuild / emerge @preserved-rebuild
Hi all,
with the discussion about EAPI3 we have now 4 (or 7, depending on how you
count them ;) ) EAPIs available or almost available. This is getting quite
confusing.
To make our lives easier I would suggest deprecating EAPI0 and migrating
existing ebuilds over some time to EAPI1 or higher
On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:21:47 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:37:12 +0100
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
To make our lives easier I would suggest deprecating EAPI0 and
migrating existing ebuilds over some time to EAPI1 or higher until
EAPI0 can be obsoleted
On Saturday 21 March 2009 21:55:20 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:53:16 +0100
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Because, as you have noticed before, developers get confused which
eapi has which features available. And eapi1 is a superset of eapi0,
so we don't have
On Saturday 21 March 2009 22:26:41 Alec Warner wrote:
Introducing a policy encouraging moving things that definitely
aren't in the least bit likely to be a system dep on a bump, sure.
Making 1 or 2 the default for new packages, sure. But rewriting
existing things? That's just an
On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:37:55 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:12:02 +0300
Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
It is quite irresponsible to enable that by default for the FULL user
base, given the state of the tree in regards to it
Which is why we are not talking about
[Snip]
Maybe you just want Sunrise in the main tree instead of as a dedicated,
supervised overlay. There were people with VERY strong feelings against
Sunrise, to the point I believe at least one dev opposing it resigned
over it
Yes, one did. Some people just need a good excuse to leave :)
For quite some time (over a year, actually) we've been discussing the
mysterious and often misunderstood GLEP55.
[http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0055.html]
The proposed solution to a problem that is never refined, in short, is to add
the EAPI into the ebuild filename to make things
On Thursday 14 May 2009 21:20:18 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:17:24 -0600
RB aoz@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 13:11, Ciaran McCreesh
ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote:
Please explain why you claimed GLEP 55 makes things slower. Until
you answer
On Thursday 14 May 2009 23:53:37 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 16:49:09 -0500
William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
The second solution seems to be the better one because it does not go
against standards. For example, we see extentions like .c, .py and
.pl, instead of
On Sunday 17 May 2009 06:43:50 Richard Freeman wrote:
Duncan wrote:
So I believe the cost to be quite reasonably managed, after all.
Benchmarks would of course be needed to demonstrate that, but I believe
it worth pursuing.
I thought we had agreed that (1) with GLEP55 you have to source the
On Sunday 17 May 2009 18:35:29 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Please stop wasting everyone's time.
Yes, please do. Your replies are full of emotional arguments and ad hominem
attacks. If you are unable to keep to the technical aspects of a discussion
you should reconsider answering to every email
On Monday 18 May 2009 20:19:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 20:05:51 +0200
Maciej Mrozowski reave...@poczta.fm wrote:
That's not in the least bit well defined, and it's also extremely
dangerous.
Please elaborate on that.
With Portage's soft blocks, there's no guarantee
On Monday 18 May 2009 21:20:10 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:08:25 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
In terms of the on-disk result it's invariant, the result is what
you'd expect. There are intermediate stages that are inconsistent /
unclean
On Sunday 24 May 2009 22:43:52 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Here, this sums up what's wrong with most of your cockamamy ideas (as
attractive, and oh so right, as they may seem to you now):
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s07.html
To paraphrase you: Go and read it and don't
On Sunday 24 May 2009 23:22:21 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 23:16:13 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
Okay, yes, Mr. Long was quite rude there (trying to fight fire with
fire I guess). But in this case you're discussing rather subjective
things again (how often
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical solution
that won the standards war for domestic Video recorders.
:) Yep. And bad design decisions
On Thursday 28 May 2009 00:12:56 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
2009/5/27 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org:
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical
This is becoming a rather lengthy email ping pong, but as people seem to be
unable to discuss things I had to highlight a few issues there.
Short version:
- Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels better don't
add anything to the discussion and are objectively wrong for
On Thursday 28 May 2009 01:10:50 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
How is it one-way exactly? You can do pretty much anything you want in
a new EAPI (that's the point).
You cannot undo it.
In other words, you'll have to allow stupid filenames until the end of
times even if you are quite
On Thursday 28 May 2009 07:46:36 Tiziano Müller wrote:
And here is why (I'm only looking at the non-degenerated case with valid
metadata, ignoring overlays which some consider a corner case (I don't
understand that argument, but that's another thing)):
overlays tend to come without metadata.
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:04:18 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:00 +0100
Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
As I understand this, it may add six seconds to an emerge world while
the dep tree is calculated. Lets say it takes an hour to do emerge
world, the time
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:14:57 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:12 +0200
Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
- Try to avoid subjective statements. Statements like C++ feels
better don't add anything to the discussion and are objectively
wrong for me, so they have
You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because it
removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or two little
pieces ...
I almost feel bad for writing so many emails to this list.
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:48:45 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
For example a
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