On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:25:11PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote
> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 01:43:17 PM Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s
> wrote:
> > (This mail is to keep the guys un -user in the loop about -devel).
> >
> > OK, so Jo
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:31:31 -0400
Michael Mol wrote:
> There are two principle things I dislike about D-Bus.
>
> 1) It doesn't support live upgrading of the daemon. We discussed the
> reasons behind this several weeks ago, as I recall. Transparent
> session control handoff is, of course, compli
On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for
> us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what
> is already there.
Although, one thing which I find very annoying is that the things that
depend on it sta
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk:
> On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for
> > us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what
> > is already there.
>
> Although, one thing which
On 2011-09-18 12:03, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> And what is your problem with dbus anyway? I bet you can't even measure a
> difference between dbus running and dbus not running in speed or
> responsiveness of your gui.
Not my specific case(s) but a quick google gave this:
https://bugs.launch
On 9/17/11, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On 9/11/2011 the S&P 500 was within about .1% of where
> it was on 9/10/2001. The 'Lost Decade'...
You lucky and prosperous bastards! Take a look at some major European
indexes over the same time span. DAX for example. :D
--
Arttu V.
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 12:44:04 schrieb pk:
> On 2011-09-18 12:03, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > And what is your problem with dbus anyway? I bet you can't even measure
> > a
> > difference between dbus running and dbus not running in speed or
> > responsiveness of your gui.
>
> Not my sp
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:32:11 +0200
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 12:44:04 schrieb pk:
> > On 2011-09-18 12:03, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > > And what is your problem with dbus anyway? I bet you can't even
> > > measure a
> > > difference between dbus running and
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk:
>> On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> > Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for
>> > us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds function
On 2011-09-18 14:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> So you are going from a single bug to 'it must be evil'. If you do that all
> the time there isn't much software left.
You said: "I bet you can't even measure a
difference between dbus running and dbus not running in speed or
responsiveness of y
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:19 AM, pk wrote:
> On 2011-09-18 14:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> So you are going from a single bug to 'it must be evil'. If you do that all
>> the time there isn't much software left.
>
> You said: "I bet you can't even measure a
> difference between dbus running
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 09:15:25 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>
> wrote:
> > Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk:
> >> On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> > Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself
Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 15:19:29 schrieb pk:
> On 2011-09-18 14:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > So you are going from a single bug to 'it must be evil'. If you do that
> > all the time there isn't much software left.
>
> You said: "I bet you can't even measure a
> difference between dbus
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 15:19:29 schrieb pk:
> again, if it you say 'it must be bad because there is a bug in it' you can
> disregard all software ever written.
This is why, when designing systems, you want as little complexity
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 02:43:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés
wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Joost Roeleveld
wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:47 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011
Alex Schuster wonkology.org> writes:
> > When you run kde-4 on gentoo and use the kde-login-manager app
> > are the login sessions recorded into a permanent or temporary file?
> If you want to know, who is logged in and when someone logged in, check
> the man page for utmp / wtmp. These files a
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Dale wrote:
>
> Ah. I see now. So, it mounts proc and sys but that is in the init then
> it mounts the real root outside the init. Then it umounts the proc and sys
> under the init and then switches to the real root and starts init there.
>
> Where does /us
On Sep 18, 2011 9:50 PM, "Joost Roeleveld" wrote:
>
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 02:43:00 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> > As I keep saying: code talks.
>
> Yes, but the developers are quiet with regards to that patch.
> I can understand if it takes some time to analyse a patch, but 4 mont
On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine:
post_src_unpack() {
epatch_user
}
Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe to call epatch_user
multiple times, so I support no breakages should be expected with
eb
On 2011-09-18 14:56, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> And he's using Audacious - a fork of a gigantic bug nest (mms) .
> According to his earlier post, it forces dbus to run.
Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a
while (I've actually have never encountered a bug with Audacious
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200
pk wrote:
> Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a
> while (I've actually have never encountered a bug with Audacious), for
> me. Now, when I upgraded to 2.4.x dbus was forced on me (well, that
> and Xfce4)... I'm used to Audacious
On 2011-09-18 15:31, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Hey, that's really cool.
I agree.
> Just don't expect everybody to run our systems without the modern
> parts of the stack just because a Commodore 64 cannot run it.
I think you need to take a closer look; it does support a lot of
"modern" parts
On 2011-09-18 19:41, Indi wrote:
> Install mpd, mpc, and ncmpc. Read the man pages, live happily ever
> after.
Ok, I'll look into it. Thanks!
Best regards
Peter K
Dear All!
I think Google Chrome/Chromium is an excellent browser and I have been
using it for a year or more. But there is one issue which is
disturbing me and I would like to know what is your experience.
If I open more than 2-3 URL fast way the loading tabs and other
already opened pages became
András Csányi wrote:
Dear All!
I think Google Chrome/Chromium is an excellent browser and I have been
using it for a year or more. But there is one issue which is
disturbing me and I would like to know what is your experience.
If I open more than 2-3 URL fast way the loading tabs and other
alre
I've been looking around for a way to install gentoo just by plopping
an ISO into a known partition,.
I'm not getting much from google on this search string:
install gentoo directly from iso. Or I should say:
I've found a couple of how toos but they involve quite a lot of mumbo
jumbo like th
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:55:01 +0200
pk wrote:
> > And he's using Audacious - a fork of a gigantic bug nest (mms) .
> > According to his earlier post, it forces dbus to run.
>
> Xmms, I believe it's called. And it's been working fine for quite a
> while (I've actually have never encountered a bu
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:13:36 -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> ORBit was the GNOME implementation of ORB; I don't remember what KDE
> used, but I believe it was also ORB based.
KDE 2/3 used DCOP, their own IPC as there was no decent standard system
at the time. DBus was heavily influenced by DC
On 18.09.2011 21:01, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I've been looking around for a way to install gentoo just by plopping
> an ISO into a known partition,.
>
> I'm not getting much from google on this search string:
>install gentoo directly from iso. Or I should say:
>
> I've found a couple of how t
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, pk wrote:
> I think you need to take a closer look; it does support a lot of
> "modern" parts of the "stack" (as you call it); it's just focused on the
> things that matters (for an embedded system). It is the mindset that I'm
> after; it seems even kernel develope
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:49:21 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > A word of advice when starting from scratch, give your VG(s) unique
> > names. I've seen what happens when someone takes a drive from
> > one Fedora system and puts it in another, so there are two VGs called
> > vg01. It ain't nice (onl
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM, András Csányi wrote:
> Dear All!
>
> I think Google Chrome/Chromium is an excellent browser and I have been
> using it for a year or more. But there is one issue which is
> disturbing me and I would like to know what is your experience.
>
> If I open more than 2-3
I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage
warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run
revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the
obsolete library.
That's what I did. I confess I wasn't watching, so I may have missed
som
On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine:
>>
>> post_src_unpack() {
>> epatch_user
>> }
>>
>> Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe to call epatch_user
On 09/18/2011 11:27 PM, walt wrote:
On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine:
post_src_unpack() {
epatch_user
}
Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe t
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:10 PM, walt wrote:
> I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage
> warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run
> revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the
> obsolete library.
>
> That's what I di
Nikos Chantziaras writes:
> On 09/18/2011 11:27 PM, walt wrote:
> > On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> I came across some ebuilds that result in:
> >>
> >> * QA Notice: command not found:
> >> *
> >> * /etc/portage/bashrc: line 3: epatch_user: command not found
> >>
on 09/18/2011 11:10 PM walt wrote the following:
> I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage
> warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run
> revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the
> obsolete library.
>
> This fixed th
On 09/18/2011 11:50 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
Nikos Chantziaras writes:
On 09/18/2011 11:27 PM, walt wrote:
On 09/18/2011 09:42 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I came across some ebuilds that result in:
* QA Notice: command not found:
*
* /etc/portage/bashrc: line 3: epatch_user:
Nikos Chantziaras writes:
> On 09/18/2011 11:50 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Do these ebuilds also need to apply the patches, or do you just want
> > to get rid of the error message?
>
> It's just the error message. Which means this isn't an issue for now.
> It will become one if one of them w
On Sunday 18 Sep 2011 21:57:29 Thanasis wrote:
> on 09/18/2011 11:10 PM walt wrote the following:
> > I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage
> > warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run
> > revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' an
On Sun, Sep 18 2011, walt wrote:
> I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage
> warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should run
> revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and then delete the
> obsolete library.
>
> After that I ran plain revde
On Saturday 17 September 2011 13:44:39 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> [GUIDs] are not the best thing to work with admittedly, but they are
> guaranteed to be unique for all reasonable human needs. In a world
> when we plug things out of anything and plug them back into anything,
> a guaranteed unique ID i
On Saturday 17 September 2011 12:34:54 Dale wrote:
> Does LVM make the heads move around more or anything like that? I'm
> just thinking it would depending on what lv are on what drives. I
> dunno, just curious.
I haven't thought about that, but my first impression is that LVM won't make
any g
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:25:44 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
> Now I can finally print normally, and removed foo2zjs completely from
> my computer. Wooohoo. :)
What printer do you have. I use foo2zjs with a LaserJet 1022 and thought
it was the only way, not that it causes me any problems.
--
Neil B
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:58:14 -0400
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18 2011, walt wrote:
>
> > I just did a routine update on my ~amd64 machine and saw the portage
> > warning that libpng14 has been replaced by libpng15, and I should
> > run revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib/libpng14.so' and
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:02:45 +0100
Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 17 September 2011 13:44:39 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> > [GUIDs] are not the best thing to work with admittedly, but they are
> > guaranteed to be unique for all reasonable human needs. In a world
> > when we plug things out of
Harry Putnam newsguy.com> writes:
> http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2011/06/boot-livecd-iso-image-from-hdd/305
> I can follow that alright but first wanted to make sure there
> is not a well established mainstream way of doing it.
Curious.
I was going to attempt an installation directly from a new live
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 06:59:44PM +0100, Mick wrote
> The only drawback is the 2 minutes it will take a user the first time this
> change is introduced to build the initramfs and change the kernel line in
> grub.conf. I am warming up to this proposal because it seems to me that it
> will end
Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Saturday 17 September 2011 12:34:54 Dale wrote:
> Does LVM make the heads move around more or anything like that? I'm
> just thinking it would depending on what lv are on what drives. I
> dunno, just curious.
I haven't thought about that, but my first impression is
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:25:44 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
>
>> Now I can finally print normally, and removed foo2zjs completely from
>> my computer. Wooohoo. :)
>
> What printer do you have. I use foo2zjs with a LaserJet 1022 and thought
> it w
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:31:56 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Just don't expect everybody to run our systems without the modern
> parts of the stack just because a Commodore 64 cannot run it.
>
> Many of us actually like the modern features of the kernel, glibc,
> udev, dbus, systemd, pulseaudio,
On Sep 19, 2011 11:12 AM, "Dale" wrote:
>
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday 17 September 2011 12:34:54 Dale wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Does LVM make the heads move around more or anything like that? I'm
>>
>> > just thinking it would depending on what lv are on what drives. I
>>
>> > dunno, just cu
On Sep 19, 2011 2:04 AM, "Harry Putnam" wrote:
>
> I've been looking around for a way to install gentoo just by plopping
> an ISO into a known partition,.
>
> I'm not getting much from google on this search string:
> install gentoo directly from iso. Or I should say:
>
> I've found a couple of
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