On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:17:56 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> Check out the email from William Kenworth in this mailing list; he's
> having trouble with initramfs being a blackbox.
>
> As a (mostly) server guy, I much prefer using a whitebox.
It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary,
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:32:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> We're going to be stuck with some issues anyway, no matter how we cope
> with things. At the moment, I've got my /usr on RAID1, which I think
> doubles up the speed things load at.
Use 0.90 metadata and you can put / on RAID1 too.
> (I
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script
> > and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a
> > plain cpio archive, and post it here.
>
> I did post it a week or so ago in another thread.
Th
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:17:36 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
> somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
> and from the few seconds the error message is on the the screen I cant
> see why as the
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script
>> > and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a
>> > plain cpio archive, and post it here.
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
> So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may as
> well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what they
> wanted and planned.
According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red
Hat. It
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 08:54 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:17:36 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
> > somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
> > and from the few secon
Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
>
> Fortunately a mount -a followed by
>emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
>
> has be back in business (with the new lvm2 masked).
>
> I subsequently found the bug below.
Than
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:55:20AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
> > > Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was
> > > > to copy (not move
I've been getting the following "Ping-ponging" of fltk for maybe a
couple weeks now.
What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
slotted.
When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot install
x11-libs/fltk-1.3.0-r1
x11-libs/fltk is in world.
However after h
Hi!
I let Dracut mount /usr and I do not mount it again at boot. In order
to do so I have added the "noauto" option in /etc/fstab:
/dev/mapper/vg-usr /usrext4noauto,noatime
1 2
Use with caution.
Greetings,
--
Jorge Martínez López http://www.jorgeml.net
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Read my other mail and pay attention to the difference between
> > transient and persistent.
>
> In my proposed solution, the executables in /sbin would only exist until
> /usr had been mounted and the runtime PATH set up. After the
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
> Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
--
Neil Bothwick
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* Neil Bothwick [120328 11:06]:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
>
> > x11-libs/fltk is in world.
>
> Why?
Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point or needed it for some
software outside of Gentoo.
>
> > Or have I broken my system?
>
> Probably. There is rar
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
[snip]
> > Or have I broken my system?
>
> Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
For u
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will shuffle
> things around just like in that 15 pieces game.
This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so space is not
an issue.
> Assuming / is the first (or second) partition
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
> * Neil Bothwick [120328 11:06]:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
>>
>> > x11-libs/fltk is in world.
>>
>> Why?
>
> Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point or needed it for some
> software outside of Gentoo
* David W Noon [120328 11:22]:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> [snip]
> > > Or have I broken my system?
> >
> > Probably. There is rarely a g
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
> * David W Noon [120328 11:22]:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:58:00 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
>> [gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
>>
>> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > > Or h
* Michael Mol [120328 11:28]:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Todd Goodman wrote:
> > * Neil Bothwick [120328 11:06]:
> >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> >>
> >> > x11-libs/fltk is in world.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> > Don't know. Probably forgot the -1 at some point o
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:14:55 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> > > Or have I broken my system?
> >
> > Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in
> > world.
>
> Fine, but it hardly seems that it's broken just because there's a
> library in world?
Something is depending on a
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:17:06 +0100, David W Noon wrote:
> > Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in
> > world.
>
> For us programmers it is often essential that we have one or more
> library packages in world, since we might be using that library (or
> those libraries) i
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:39:55 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> And more specifically, if the two versions of fltk are slotted it makes
> me even more surprised that portage wants to depclean the 1.3.0 version.
It can't depclean the other version, because that slot is specifically
depended on.
--
Ne
Allan Gottlieb writes:
> On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Move partitions after / on the disk out of the way creating enough
> > free space to contain current / and /usr.
>
> Question. /dev/sda7 is LVM and that is used for /usr, /local, et al.
> How do I move an LVM partition? I c
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:00:43 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] Anyone Else "Ping-Ponging" with fltk?:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:17:06 +0100, David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
> > The question I think Todd Goodman is trying to ask is why a package
> > in world should be a candidate for dep
Hi, Neil.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:01:32 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > Read my other mail and pay attention to the difference between
> > > transient and persistent.
> > In my proposed solution, the executables in /sbin would
> From: Canek Peláez Valdés [mailto:can...@gmail.com]
> I agree with most of what you say; however, I believe you are mistaken
> about the static nature of the binaries in the initramfs created by dracut. I
> use dracut with the whole bang (plymouth, systemd, udev, you name it), and
> I don't hav
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
> On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote:
>> Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered "ugly"
>> except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated
>> grounds.
> Check out the email from William K
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't
> know if it's true or not.
dracut wants you to have loadable module /support/ in your kernel so it can
scan for modules needed by the rootfs. The kernel-module support in d
Hello,
So I've been googling about GPS systems and interfacing
to a linux system. In portage it looks like all I
will need to use the usb with the garmin nuvi 1490
is gpsd and gpsdrive?
It shows up via lsusb.
Any discussion or other software recommendations is most
welcome.
James
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, James wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So I've been googling about GPS systems and interfacing
> to a linux system. In portage it looks like all I
> will need to use the usb with the garmin nuvi 1490
> is gpsd and gpsdrive?
>
> It shows up via lsusb.
>
> Any discussion or other
Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
>>
>> Fortunately a mount -a followed by
>>emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
>>
>> has be back in business (with the new lvm
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may
> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what
> > they wanted and planned.
>
> According to
Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
> >>
> >> Fortunately a mount -a followed by
> >>
> >>emerge -1 lvm2-previous versio
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
> Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>
>> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
>> >>
>> >> Fortunately a mou
I just wrote:
> Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>
> > >> I subsequently found the bug below.
>
> Thanks for being so kind of doing so!
Whoops, I misread 'found' for 'filed'. But anyway, thanks for the
information :)
Wonko
Alan McKinnon writes:
>
> I offer you two choices:
>
> a. Move a few commands into an initramfs, truly only the ones you
> really do need, or
> b. Move 7G of files onto / (i.e. everything) and lose any benefit you
> (and everyone else with different ideas to you) may want by having a
> separate /u
"Mike Edenfield" writes:
>
> Yes , of course it's /possible/, it's just not /practical/.
Perhaps, but still?
I don't se how that is less practical than collecting them to a ramdisk?
Just do exactly the same steps up to the "cpio | gzip" -part
I do agree with most of what you say
>
> Most Linux
>>
>>> with ppp connections you are not using a dhcp client, pppd gets the
>>> nameserver ip addressess as part of the connection negotiation (if
>>> peerdns is set) and the aforemetioned script in
>>> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/40-dns.sh writes those to /etc/resolv.conf
This is at the top of /etc/resolv.co
On 3/28/12, Todd Goodman wrote:
> I've been getting the following "Ping-ponging" of fltk for maybe a
> couple weeks now.
>
> What I mean is that I have x11-libs/fltk-2.0_pre6970-r1:2 installed and
> slotted.
>
> When I emerge -avD --changed-use world it wants to slot install
> x11-libs/fltk-1.3.0-
>
> Because the other slot satisfies the requirements of world, which
> contains an unslotted version. But then --update always tries to
> installed the newest suitable version. In other words, his system is
> broken.
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
Then my system must be broken too. emerge -uND world
>
> Then
> copy /usr over:
>mount -o bind / /mnt
>mount -o remount,ro /usr
>cp -a /usr/* /mnt/
> The bind moun t makes the root FS appear in a 2nd place, without /usr
> being populated by the content of your /usr partition.
> Don't forget to remove /usr from /etc/fstab.
>
I
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:20:25 -0400
Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> > All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will
> > shuffle things around just like in that 15 pieces game.
>
> This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so s
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:51:23 +0100
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> > > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init
> > > script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs
> > > file is a plain cpio archive, and post it
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
David W Noon wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
> InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
> > Alan McKinnon wrote:
> [snip]
> >> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no
> >> longer a problem. Sor
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:07:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > What happens to files that are installed to /bin, /sbin or /lib by
> > default?
>
> Aren't they getting shoved into /usr? I thought that was the whole
> point of the excercise.
That /may/ happen at some time, but not now, so we need
On 2012-03-28 20:29, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and
> /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the "true UNIX way" that Linux is
> following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :)
Yep, next up is transitioning to a more modern handl
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
> David W Noon wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re:
> > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> >
> > > A
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
David W Noon wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100
> > David W Noon wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote a
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 22:47:09 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Since someone has already asked about this off-list, the method is
> described on sysrescd.org and involves a GRUB menu entry like
>
> echo "Adding: System Rescue CD"
> menuentry "System Rescue CD" {
>set sysresiso=/systemrescuecd-x86
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
> David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
> > With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var
> > -- and anything else -- before udev starts.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:58:23 +0200, pk wrote:
> organisation and I happen to be on the side which thinks the FHS
> rationalisation for /bin, /sbin, /lib is a neat one. Others thinks the
> neatest solution is to put everything into one directory (whatever that
> may be) and that's fine too, if ther
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:45:40 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > echo "Adding: System Rescue CD"
> > menuentry "System Rescue CD" {
> >set sysresiso=/systemrescuecd-x86-2.5.1.iso
> >loopback loop $sysresiso
> >linux (loop)/isolinux/rescue64 rootpass=whatever setkmap=uk
> > isoloop=$sysres
On Mar 29, 2012 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster
wrote:
> > Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
> >
> >> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> >> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
> >> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morni
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Maxim Wexler wrote:
>>>
with ppp connections you are not using a dhcp client, pppd gets the
nameserver ip addressess as part of the connection negotiation (if
peerdns is set) and the aforemetioned script in
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/40-dns.sh writes thos
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
> don't know if it's true or not.
>
Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
being able to su to root from a user. I wonder if that is related
somehow. o_O
Dale
:-)
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
>> don't know if it's true or not.
>>
>
> Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
> being able to su to root from a user
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> It's not a blackbox, unlike a kernel or any other binary, it is a simple
> cpio archive that you can unpack and inspect. If you want total control,
> build your own, it is not rocket science.
>
>
You sure about that? I have tried building one, then
building it inside
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
>
>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may
>> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. May
David W Noon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re:
> [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100
>> David W Noon wrote:
> [snip]
>>> With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var
>>> -- and anythin
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 29, 2012 1:42 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster
>> wrote:
>> > Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>> >
>> >> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>> >> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schri
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Alex Schuster wrote:
>> Stefan G. Weichinger writes:
>>
>>> Am 28.03.2012 12:24, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>>> > Am 27.03.2012 22:53, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>>> >> My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after upda
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>> Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
>>> don't know if it's true or not.
>>>
>>
>> Oh really? I don't use modules and I am the one having issues with not
>>
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> What you describe sounds ok, but I'd still hesitate to give a definite
> answer without a little more data.
>
> If you send over the output of
>
> df -h
> du -shx for each partition you have
> fdisk -l
> pvdisplay
> vgdisplay
> lvdisplay
>
> I'll be hap
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Dale wrote:
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>
Incidentally, dracut says it won't work on a kernel without modules. I
don't know if it's true or not.
>>>
>>> Oh really? I don'
On Thu, March 22, 2012 12:55 am, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:02:32PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote
>
>> I said this before, but it sounds useful to try to reiterate:
>>
>> * It's probable that service-specific files should not be included in
>> the init system package.
>> * Service-
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