[gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:00 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: >> >> Yes, without a manually written grub.cfg you get none of these features - >> the default grub.cfg is just horrible. >> Well, the most powerful feature is probably still available: >> The possibility to edit the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:00 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Yes, without a manually written grub.cfg you get none of these features - > the default grub.cfg is just horrible. > Well, the most powerful feature is probably still available: > The possibility to edit the kernel's command line, partition

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:57 AM John Covici wrote: > > Speakup works in most recent kernels, 5.10.x and it is now in the > mainstream kernel, but I forget what release it got in there. There > are two types of synthesizers, hardware and software. Most people use > software synthesizers these

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 1:05 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > >> Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils?

[gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:48:04 BST Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Michael wrote: >> > From: Michael >> > >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: >> >> > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the >> >> > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB.

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread John Covici
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:28:50 -0400, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:53 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn > > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers > > has been and will

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:44:58 -0500, Dale wrote: > That's even more typing than /dev/sdk. Some things I do easily by using tab completion and all. When mounting, I let fstab remember the UUID for it. >>> That's what copy/paste is for. How often are you

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:04 AM Dale wrote: > > When I bought my current TV, I avoided the smart ones. At the time, it > was new technology and people were talking about how buggy it was so I > bought a regular TV. If I had to buy one today, I'd buy a smart one. > They seem to work pretty

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:39 PM Dale wrote: >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> Use /dev/disks/by/partlabel/foo or /dev/disks/by-partuuid/bar. >>> >> That's even more typing than /dev/sdk. Some things I do easily by using >> tab completion and all. When mounting, I let fstab

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:48:04 BST Martin Vaeth wrote: > Michael wrote: > > From: Michael > > > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > >> > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > >> > >> Hm. If I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 10:22 AM Dale wrote: > >> I was wanting to have a NAS that also puts video on my TV. That way I >> can turn off my puter and still watch TV. It would be as much a media >> system as a NAS. I have a mobo, ram and I think I have a extra video >> card

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 10:42 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I'm checking on a lower bucks user group to see if it's still active. > They do all manner of operating systems including linux in that group. > > I was able to set up an Ubuntu 10.04.4 Lucid VM here in under 15 minutes. It came up

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Jude DaShiell
I'm checking on a lower bucks user group to see if it's still active. They do all manner of operating systems including linux in that group. On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Jack wrote: > I think many on this list would be willing to help with this, if the location > were close enough.  You might hunt for

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 10:22 AM Dale wrote: > > I was wanting to have a NAS that also puts video on my TV. That way I > can turn off my puter and still watch TV. It would be as much a media > system as a NAS. I have a mobo, ram and I think I have a extra video > card somewhere. I'd need a

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:53 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers > has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be > done by a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:05:18 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > >> Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:06 PM Dale wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 3:53 PM Dale wrote: >>> >>> Maybe this is a good excuse to start working on a NAS. :/ >>> That's my vote. (For the second time) >>> >>> I'm using a FreeBSD Nas (TrueNAS) but

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Jack
I think many on this list would be willing to help with this, if the location were close enough.  You might hunt for a local linux users group, or other group of folks likely to be interested and willing to tinker with hardware.  You might also see if there is a local high school or technical

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Martin Vaeth
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? >> > >> > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot',

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Jude DaShiell
Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine than

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? > > > > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching

[gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael wrote: > From: Michael > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the >> > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. >> >> Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels with >> a selected

Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:38:23 -00 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:12:29 -00 Michael wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting

[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Martin Vaeth
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? > > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching from > elogind to systemd. No, USE=boot for systemd-util does not

Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:12:29 -00 Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > > > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > > > > Hm.

Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If > it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on > the next minimal iso. > > To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I

Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > > Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run

Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 15:33:01 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:45:37 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I use bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot to creat a boot-time menu > > (photo attached) from which I choose what system I want to run. This > > has worked well, but I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels with a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? -- Regards, Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:13:06 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > --->8 > > > > > It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and > > > ~amd64 for

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware

2022-04-17 Thread Michael
What you describe may be a hardware problem, but it could also be related to the kernel options enabled in the Live-USB media. I've had some MoBos overheating when booting with one Live media OS, but not another. Chroot-ing was OK, but trying to build anything thereafter ended up in

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware

2022-04-17 Thread Jack
On 4/17/22 11:06, Jude DaShiell wrote: ... Most recent crash happened after opening links on the gentoo page itself. So far, gentoo is the only flavor of linux used around here that crashes my hardware like that. It was suggested the special glue holding the fan to the cpu may have given out

[gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list

2022-04-17 Thread Jude DaShiell
Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on the next minimal iso.

[gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware

2022-04-17 Thread Jude DaShiell
I have had several system crashes trying a gentoo install. These crashes involve the loss of speakup and no capability to resurrect speakup either. Further to that, when the system is shutdown it cannot be restarted without use of the reset button additional to the power button. When I take my

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:13:06 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > --->8 > > It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and > > ~amd64 for systemd-boot/utils. Does keywording udev-250 resolve the > > blocks? > > Yes,

Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?

2022-04-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:45:37 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > I use bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot to creat a boot-time menu > (photo attached) from which I choose what system I want to run. This > has worked well, but I'm not confident I'll be able to mix systemd and > openrc like this for

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:06 PM Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 3:53 PM Dale wrote: > > > > Maybe this is a good excuse > >> to start working on a NAS. :/ > > That's my vote. (For the second time) > > > > I'm using a FreeBSD Nas (TrueNAS) but they recently came

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:13:06 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: --->8 > It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and > ~amd64 for systemd-boot/utils. Does keywording udev-250 resolve the > blocks? Yes, after keywording several others, thus: ~sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles-249.9

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:41:23 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > I've been using bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot for several years, > with some success, but I'm stuck after today's --sync. > > First I was told I had to keyword sys-apps/systemd-utils, so I did > that, but now I get this, which I

[gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc

2022-04-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello list, I've been using bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot for several years, with some success, but I'm stuck after today's --sync. First I was told I had to keyword sys-apps/systemd-utils, so I did that, but now I get this, which I can't decode: Calculating dependencies ... . .

Re: [gentoo-user] x11-misc/sddm-0.18.1-r6 exits inexplicably

2022-04-17 Thread Michael
On Sunday, 10 April 2022 17:06:17 BST Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 10 April 2022 16:31:01 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:45:39 +0100, Michael wrote: > > > > The laptop has an ethernet NIC on the MoBo, which is gimped at > > > > 100Mbps. This is not used under normal

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART

2022-04-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:44:58 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> That's even more typing than /dev/sdk. Some things I do easily by > >> using tab completion and all. When mounting, I let fstab remember > >> the UUID for it. > > That's what copy/paste is for. How often are you editing your > > crypttab