Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 10:38 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > Howdy, again, > > > > Hi Dale, >    As part of a little AI project I'm working on I ran across a > relatively  > inexpensive ideo you might want to look into. The basic idea is to  > use a P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 3:33 PM Wols Lists wrote: > > On 05/06/2024 20:15, Meowie Gamer wrote: > > I must've taken too long to join the mailing list because I missed the > > first part of whatever's happening here. How did this turn from python 3.12 > > to a conversation about USE? > > > > Becaus

Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo, CPU, memory and a m.2 thingy. This work together?

On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 10:38 PM Dale wrote: > > Howdy, again, > Hi Dale, As part of a little AI project I'm working on I ran across a relatively inexpensive ideo you might want to look into. The basic idea is to use a PXIx -> M.2 E Key card and on that card load an M2. E Key to SATA adapter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

--- Original message --- From: Grant Edwards To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2024 22:07:06 +0200 On 2024-06-05, Wols Lists wrote: On 05/06/2024 13:12, Eli Schwartz wr

[gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 2024-06-05, Wols Lists wrote: > On 05/06/2024 13:12, Eli Schwartz wrote: >> Which I think is fine, if people want that, but not everyone does, so >> delaying the update altogether might be preferable to those people. > > Ie people like me who don't give a monkeys about python, and consider it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

I see, thanks for clearing it up. Meowie

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

Meowie Gamer wrote: > I must've taken too long to join the mailing list because I missed the first > part of whatever's happening here. How did this turn from python 3.12 to a > conversation about USE? > > Because depending on what path you took to deal with this, you could end up with entries

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 05/06/2024 20:15, Meowie Gamer wrote: I must've taken too long to join the mailing list because I missed the first part of whatever's happening here. How did this turn from python 3.12 to a conversation about USE? Because they're using USE or whatever to force packages to stay on 3.11, b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

Wols Lists wrote: > On 05/06/2024 13:28, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Implementing dynamic USE management would take somebody a fair bit of >> effort, and for all I know it would make every emerge you run take an >> hour to recompute the dependency tree.  The ability to configure USE >> flags, along with

Re: [gentoo-user] MPV not compiling

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:30:29 +0200 netfab wrote: > Something must be mis-configured on your system. > > From your build.log, at the beginning of the configure phase we find : > > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory > > For me, « default locale » is the locale

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

On 05/06/2024 13:12, Eli Schwartz wrote: Which I think is fine, if people want that, but not everyone does, so delaying the update altogether might be preferable to those people. Ie people like me who don't give a monkeys about python, and consider it a necessary evil. As far as I'm concerne

Re: [gentoo-user] MPV not compiling

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 20:30:29 +0200 netfab wrote: > Something must be mis-configured on your system. > > From your build.log, at the beginning of the configure phase we find : > > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory > > For me, « default locale » is the locale

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

I must've taken too long to join the mailing list because I missed the first part of whatever's happening here. How did this turn from python 3.12 to a conversation about USE?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 05/06/2024 13:28, Rich Freeman wrote: Implementing dynamic USE management would take somebody a fair bit of effort, and for all I know it would make every emerge you run take an hour to recompute the dependency tree. The ability to configure USE flags, along with the ability to dynamically de

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 6/5/24 2:05 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > What I found misleading (and tripped over) was the implication that > the three step migration process outlined in the news item had a > reasonable likelyhood of working for a large percentage of users. > > If the new items had warned that anybody using on

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

On 6/5/24 1:12 PM, byte.size...@simplelogin.com wrote: > On 05/06/2024 14:11, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >> Here is the problem. >> Not all "system-critical" packages were stabilised before this change >> was pushed. > > Which packages do you consider to have been 'system critical' in this > instance

[gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 2024-06-05, Arve Barsnes wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 20:05, Grant Edwards wrote: >> What I found misleading (and tripped over) was the implication that >> the three step migration process outlined in the news item had a >> reasonable likelyhood of working for a large percentage of users. >>

Re: [gentoo-user] MPV not compiling

Something must be mis-configured on your system. From your build.log, at the beginning of the configure phase we find : > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory For me, « default locale » is the locale defined by the LANG environment variable. From your mpv-envi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 at 20:05, Grant Edwards wrote: > What I found misleading (and tripped over) was the implication that > the three step migration process outlined in the news item had a > reasonable likelyhood of working for a large percentage of users. > > If the new items had warned that anybod

[gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 2024-06-05, byte.size...@simplelogin.com wrote: > 2) Was anything really 'broken'? Most certainly no, going by the above > definition and the fact that the news item provided for a very clear > pathway to maintain compatibility that was essentially a two-line solution. I think that build

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

I've been lurking in the background, partly amused and partly frustrated at the arguments being thrown, but with the risk of exacerbating this further I'm going to throw in my two cents (or pence in this corner of the world). I'll start by saying this wasn't the smoothest Python upgrade relati

Re: [gentoo-user] MPV not compiling

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:03:52 -0400 Jack wrote: > On 6/5/24 11:58 AM, Matthew Brooks wrote: > > Can't work out how to reply to the message from John about this, as I > > wasn't subscribed to the list before, but I'm posting more details on mpv's > > compilation failure. The main error seems to be

Re: [gentoo-user] MPV not compiling

On 6/5/24 11:58 AM, Matthew Brooks wrote: Can't work out how to reply to the message from John about this, as I wasn't subscribed to the list before, but I'm posting more details on mpv's compilation failure. The main error seems to be: locale.Error: unsupported locale setting I'm attaching th

[gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On 2024-06-05, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 6/4/24 11:04 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2024-06-04, Eli Schwartz wrote: >>> If a package claimed to support python 3.12 and nonetheless failed to >>> build with it, that's a bug in the package -- can you provide more details? >> >> IIRC, the first one

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 11:41 PM Marco Minutoli wrote: What I believe is in the realm of reasonable is to ask to be notified when important (as in popular) packages that are currently missing support get updated with a stable version supporting python 3.12 so that we can take action on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 6:41 AM Dr Rainer Woitok wrote: > > And no, I don't buy the point of view that it's the responsibility of > the developers when my personal set of USE flags suddenly causes con- > flicts. > Agree, but keep in mind that having personal sets of USE flags is basically a

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

On 6/5/24 4:27 AM, hitachi303 wrote: > Am 04.06.24 um 22:34 schrieb Eli Schwartz: >> - you read the news item, but decided to NOT defer the upgrade, and >>    instead tried to mix both python 3.11 and python 3.12 together on your >>    system > > > I do have one question because I get the vipe fr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: python 3.12 update

Grant, On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 17:00:29 - (UTC) you wrote: > ... > I don't see how (even in theory) steps 2 and 3 can work when you have > packages installed that won't build with 3.12. That depends on your definition of "work". It occurs even when doing normal updates that you run into a USE

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 11:41 PM Marco Minutoli wrote: > > What I believe is in the realm of reasonable is to ask to be notified when > important (as in popular) packages that are currently missing support get > updated with a stable version supporting python 3.12 so that we can take > action on

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 4:27 AM hitachi303 wrote: > > the news item lists in the save upgrade section those lines: > */* PYTHON_TARGETS: -* python3_11 python3_12 > */* PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET: -* python3_11 > > This is mixing python 3.11 and 3.12 on the same system. This should be > working

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

Am 04.06.24 um 22:34 schrieb Eli Schwartz: - you read the news item, but decided to NOT defer the upgrade, and instead tried to mix both python 3.11 and python 3.12 together on your system I do have one question because I get the vipe from you that mixing python 3.11 and 3.12 would be a

Re: [gentoo-user] python 3.12 update

Am 04.06.24 um 22:09 schrieb Eli Schwartz: The purpose of the news item was to warn users that the event would occur. Did it not achieve its purpose? Were you not-warned? Do we at least agree that the news item was truthful? Hi, for me this was exactly what the news item did. It helped me to