this probably already happens to some extent before the
> filesystem is completely full.
But if you set m > 0, the filesystem will become full sooner, so
fragmentation will begin sooner (for non-root processes).
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:38:13 -0600, Dale wrote:
> tune2fs -m 1 /dev/data/data1
>
> Which is where the ext4 file system is on the LVM. After I run that
> then I can expand LVM from there, I hope it works that easy.
It does.
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e reserved setting affect
fragmentation at all, unless you write so much data that the filesystem
would be full with a larger m? In that case, I'd prefer fragmentation to
a failed write.
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e buying
bigger socks and complaining that your shoes are still too tight.
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le you expect to store on that file system.
Do you mean the biggest single file you expect root to store on that
filesystem? Is there any point in reserving space for root on a
filesystem root does not need to write to, such as /home?
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ffling stuff around.
I've never failed to fix that by deleting a file as the user that created
it, usually the partial file that caused the problem, but I can see why
you may want to keep a small amount reserved for that.
However, I still don't get the "-m 0 increases fragmentation&
ces (i.e. an almost full FS).
And after three hours of video transcoding, you get a disk full error
instead of a somewhat fragmented file. So far, I've seen no reason to not
use 0 on non-system filesystems. After all, -m 0 only tells ext? to
behave like every other filesystem in this re
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:29:51 -0800, Grant wrote:
> Does Gentoo have anything like a daily live ISO?
Closer to weekly, but look in releases/autobuilds on your favourite
mirror.
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:46:32 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Does anyone know where to get working ebuilds for PHP 5.2 ... ?
http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/dev-lang/php/?hideattic=0
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community supported now, but they haven't unmade the discs that are
already out there :)
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g directory and run "Scan for
new images" - you can have it scan automatically at startup, at the
expense of startup time.
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o ensures that any new writes
while pvmove is running go to the new drive, so you can still use the
system while moving (try doing that with cp :).
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;t have to be a system disk, just something that is in use.
Copying 3TB is going to take a while, making the drive unavailable to
whatever needs to write for it for that amount of time may be be
unacceptable and is certainly unnecessary.
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A consultant is a person who borrows your w
f I emerge world
> daily, do I need to check on GLSA's?
If you run testing, you usually have the fixed version before it gets
into a GLSA. Just run glsa-check -t all after syncing.
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anagement :-)
Believe me, that kind of BS is not restricted to software projects :)
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th your system
drive start using it again.
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gt; ... or just add another rsync invocation to backup /dev ...
That won't work because it will backup the full devfs mounted on /dev,
not the files that exist in the directory itself.
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e, right next to my "Pedantic
> Old Fart" label. And I dare say our very own Mr Bothwick will be
> standing right next to me :-)
I prefer to sit these days, thank you :)
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p for that.
I hadn't thought of using it for this, nice idea.
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:26:46 -0500, Michael Mol wrote:
> I typically use geeqie.
+1
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:38:43 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> I use Gwenview to review collections & Feh to browse from a terminal:
> I've used them a long time & strongly recommend both;
> if you're allergic to KDE, Geeqie mb a useable alternative.
I like KDE but I sti
and /boot of course.
If you're already using an initramfs to mount /usr, you may as well put
root on LVM too and let it mount that too. Alternatively, have a small /,
a few hundred MB, and no separate /boot.
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:45:53 -0600, Dale wrote:
> I'm going to try to beat some sense into this a while longer then I'm
> going to bed, right after rm -rfv /mnt/gentoo/* is started. ;-)
What's the point in using -v if you're not there to watch it? ;-)
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system or world and then changing USE flags.
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*" emerge -e system and it just griped. I have also
> tried to upgrade one package at a time. Each one complains about some
> other package.
USE="-*" is horrible. Leave the USE flags as they were in the stage 3,
rebuild as needed then switch back, probably piecemeal, to what
use an ext2 filesystem for portage, it's still the fastest out there.
Journals are unnecessary because its such a small filesystem, and if it
does get damaged I can just reformat and sync again.
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that&#
on outside of LVM, and it works fine.
I'm using the latest testing with a separate /usr and no problems.
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gt; low for portage:
>
> dd bs=$((500*1024*1024)) count=1 if=/dev/zero of=/usr/img_portage
> mke2fs -f -b1024 -i2048 /usr/img_portage
I use similar arguments for mke2fs.
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est in ~amd64 is
the same as you are running on stable. 181 is masked and the comments in
package.mask imply it is because of the separate /usr problem.
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number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:53:29 +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> Is there an elegant way to find these old libraries? (Removing them
> would alert revdep-rebuild afterwards).
man qfile and look at the section on finding orphan files.
Emerge portage-utils if you don't have qfile.
rom holiday.
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packages you need to your
keywords file. You'll have to read the man page for the syntax, I haven't
used it for quite a while as portage 2.2 has this built in.
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To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is
half empty. To the engineer, the glas
em isn't the amount of virtuals. This doesn't affect the
> users much. It's the inability for people to offer replacement
> packages in overlays.
They could include a modified virtual in the overlay, but your point is
valid; including the information in the ebuilds is more f
he sort of
argument that could only be used by a parent on a child :-O
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separating / and /usr makes sense. Compiling a kernel already takes long
enough on a lower powered machine, encrypting /usr/src only makes it
worse.
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:49:40 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:
> Besides, I've already lost a poorly cooled HDD on a benchmark.
Better than losing it on real data.
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oot with it
plugged in, it can trip over itself because the usb_modeswitch executable
is in /usr/sbin.
You could use this to argue that /usr should be mounted before udev is
started, but you could just as well use it to argue that udev should not
be trying to run such rules at the boot runlevel.
that's fair enough. Just
consider that it does things that others need, even if you don't.
But I still think the requirement for /usr to be mounted is a lazy, if
understandable, solution to the way udev's operations are implemented.
After all, the vast majority of PC Linux installations out there already
use an initramfs.
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we don't (and shouldn't) need an
> initramfs, unless we want one.
On the other hand, Gentoo's policy has been to follow upstream as closely
as is practical, so if udev upstream wants /usr mounted early, that's
what we do - or do without udev. Both are reasonable choices
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous
kernel knowing it will still work.
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months. Then after one upgrade, I was just fed up.
> I moved on.
If you're writing your own init, it's bound to fail at first. Just fill
it full of echo statements and keep trying. It probably takes longer than
dracut, but you end up with something that not only does what you want
tain an init script, they fall
back to the legacy behaviour.
See /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
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to others.
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CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE contains a path, that is the initramfs you are
using. If it is empty and there is no initrd set in GRUB, you are not
using one.
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:25:43 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
> Is that Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+(R E I S U B), or is the SysRq key not actually
> used?
Alt+SysReq+{R E I S U B}
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es to it, unmounts it and lets me know when
it is done. I can mark files for copying at any time and my wife can just
plug in a stick when she wants to copy them for viewing on a small,
non-connected TV by her treadmill (her treadmill, I emphasise - I find a
keyboard and trackball give me all the
e /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
>
> Even when the init-options are not set?
Yes, read the readme.
> admin@hera ~ $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i init
> # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set
That's for an old style initrd, I don't have tha
er treadmill (her treadmill, I emphasise
> > - I find a keyboard and trackball give me all the exercise I want).
>
> Why not connect that TV? ;)
Because the hardware to do so would cost around £100, USB sticks cost
rather less :P
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ct to see them on a new
install - or an old install in which you'd renamed them to something more
helpful.
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ennartware only one reference to it turn up on the first page, and that
is your post!
I suppose by quoting your post I have doubled the popularity of this
commonplace slang :-O
This whole systemd for and against thread has turned up some interesting
points - interspersed with vague handwaving f
disks
were limited in size, but I really don't see the point it in at all
nowadays. This whole question of which bin directory does code belong in
should be "why do we need so many bin directories"?
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gt; But with the current movement there isn't anything there at all.
Doesn't everyone use a live distro for that?
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ing an initramfs.
> If I am not, how do I do this without using genkernel? Is dracut t he
> only other option? Is it easy/trivial to set one up manually?
There was a post on the dev list explaining how to set up a minimal
initramfs, I'll see if I can dig it out if no one beats me to it.
f I modify a /etc/init.d file, chances are I need to
> check out my next installation so I can see how the new file differs
> from the old one, and adapt the changes to my customized version.
This I like the sound of.
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ackage manager at install time, and so the
> creation of the hostkeys.
sshd is a bit of a special case. Think like CDs, like SystemRescueCD. If
the keys were created at installation time, every CD would have the same
keys, which is not particularly desirable.
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filesystem or even creating
the image file, just give the kernel compilation process a file
containing a list of what should be in it.
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tric RefUse
> Iface 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0
> 00 ppp0 161.184.0.199 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH
> 0 00 ppp0
Why show us what it was when it worked? What does route -n show from
your broken Gentoo now?
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is following udev's upstream
requirements. These may have been triggered by udev's support for systemd
but that in no way means that systemd is required.
Greg K-H is also in favour of making /usr available to early boot, are
you going to accuse him of shoddy coding too?
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on the locations at the time. Re-emerging builds it with
the new locations.
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do it. You know you want to.
If I had £100 to spend on shiny, I'd spend it on shiny for me.
If I don't have £100 to spare, it's probably because I've already spent
it on shiny for me :)
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e.
As for making /usr read-only; it is generally only writeable by root and
anyone with the root password could remount rw anyway, so there's not much
point there.
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the task takes ninety percent of
an
> 'undred quid to buy shiny for your missus?
Maybe that's why we were together for 19 years before she married me...
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dmined one
> > myself.
That is the sort of edge case where an initramfs is justifiable since you
already have a relatively complex setup.
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Joint Photographic Experts Group. The original name of the
committee that designed the eponymous standard image compression
alg
a list of files to include, the current
versions of everything will always be included.
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(Albert Einstein)
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:35:12 -0700, walt wrote:
> The new gentoo-sources-3.3.0 introduces a kernel config item that
> you need to set according to whether you use openrc or systemd.
Which option is this? Searching in menuconfig for openrc or systemd
returns nothing.
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y mounts points in /tmp and you save this step - since
I added one, it is only fair to remove one to not increase the workload :)
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nux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Get the easy things out the way first, try a different cable and a
bs USE flag. It has a static flag,
which default to on and requires dependencies to be built with
static-libs. Turn off the static flag for cryptsetup.
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lected, required by @world (argument) =sys-fs/udev-
> **
Mask >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5-r3
% cat /etc/portage/package.mask/udev-181
>=sys-fs/udev-181
>=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5-r3
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Franklin
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ng to install.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409359 confirms that this is down
to the ebuild breaking the rules.
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ive time to play with it. It certainly needs to be
stabilised before the news announcement of udev-18* going stable.
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this their point of view.
-- Albert Einstein
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the usual source. If you're not using and
fancy block devices, the initramfs only needs busybox and an init script.
Even adding LVM, RAID and encryption only requires three more binaries -
and those are all disposed of once switch_root is run and the tmpfs
released.
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nlevel.
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that lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build
automatically pulls everything in for me. The only other thing I need is
the init script. So I get the benefit of hand crafting everything with
the ease of automated building.
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the exact same kernel but omit the init part, everything
> works fine. I even tried different kernels and it still does it.
What is in the init script in your initramfs?
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:20:45 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
>
> > Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a
> > config
> file that
> > lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the
/usr.
Your package manager only knows about the copy in the original location.
When you update you'll have multiple versions of the same program or
library in your path.
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s on LVM
volumes running on RAID, this box's initramfs contains only 5 files.
% grep file /usr/src/init.cfg
file /bin/busybox /bin/busybox 755 0 0
file /sbin/lvm.static /sbin/lvm.static 755 0 0
file /sbin/mdadm /sbin/mdadm 755 0 0
file /sbin/cryptsetup /sbin/cryptsetup 755 0 0
file /init /us
yone else realises they are in no way equivalent, or even
comparable?
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ay to avoid the problems caused by
the anachronistic separation of / and /usr. This is not so much a
decision by the udev devs as an acceptance that the current filesystem
organisation was becoming ever more unworkable in the general case.
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"Self-explanatory": technospe
el or any other binary, it is a simple
cpio archive that you can unpack and inspect. If you want total control,
build your own, it is not rocket science.
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on with a broken kernel update, you just
boot with the previous one (that's one reason I leave the initramfs
inside the kernel, a working kernel will always work without any reliance
on other files).
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of view that the breakage predates udev by
many years. The whole idea of having four directories for binaries and
two for libraries is an inelegance that I have come to accept over the
years but only because it is "the way we have always done it"
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A: Because it messes
e why as the parameters it prints look good, so I am looking for a
> way to go back and examine it in slow time.
I add set -x to the start of the init script and sleep commands at
various points so I can see exactly what is going on.
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m Red
Hat. It's just that a couple of the devs are employed by them. Others are
not.
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mfs fails to boot, it drops you to a busybox shell,
although I also have a SystemRescueCD ISO in /boot for such situations.
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:15:19 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> x11-libs/fltk is in world.
Why?
> Or have I broken my system?
Probably. There is rarely a good reason for having libraries in world.
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[X]Never [ ]Always [ ]Sometimes
library in world?
Something is depending on a particular slotted version but world has an
unslotted atom, which will pull in the highest slot. It does seem that it
is broken, but removing it from world and depcleaning will tell for sure.
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of world, which
contains an unslotted version. But then --update always tries to
installed the newest suitable version. In other words, his system is
broken.
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depended on.
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escribed on sysrescd.org and involves a GRUB menu entry like
echo "Adding: System Rescue CD"
menuentry "System Rescue CD" {
set sysresiso=/systemrescuecd-x86-2.5.1.iso
loopback loop $sysresiso
linux (loop)/isolinux/rescue64 rootpass=whatever setkmap=uk
isoloop=$sysresiso
i
27;s fine too, if there was a choice...
I'm in favour of /bin and /lib, and I see the pros and cons of /sbin and
am not too bothered about how that is done. But having two (or more) of
each of these is an artificial mess that is a solution to a problem that
ceased to exist decades ago.
> As fo
mkconfig
and you have a bootable system. If you want to fart around with menu
files (as I generally do) you can play with them after the system has
booted the first time.
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Loose bits sink chips.
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at? I have tried building one, then
> building it inside the kernel then using dracut. Still got issues. If
> not rocket science, what other degree does a person need? ROFL
A degree in reading wiki pages help :P
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The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.
Ubuntu's insistence on fitting their installer on a
single CD, even if it means omitting useful software or having the
installer sneakily download components in the background.
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udev starts in early boot, because /some/ of its function is needed
then, and it then tries to run rules for all detected hardware. This is a
flaw in udev.
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eans that I'd want the file on the SD as well...
TuxOnIce lets you specify where you want the hibernate file.
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ant, but it was tolerated and worked around.
Now those that are trying to work around it have said they are no longer
going to do so, which is their choice. If the separate /usr had been
allowed to die when 20MB hard disks were around, this whole situation
would never have arisen.
The trouble w
gt; discussing simply wouldn't arise.
That's an excellent idea.
> I accept that this solution will never happen. Sadly.
It's already happened here. My kernel mounts / and /usr thanks to the
inbuilt initramfs
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putting the initramfs to do it in the kernel. However, if it could
be made to work , it would be a neat approach.
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ath. Even if less than perfect, it will be better
than mine :)
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