Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

2024-09-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 29 September 2024 13:03:04 BST Michael wrote: > On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its > > > title bar. The top bars are the

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

2024-09-29 Thread Michael
On Sunday 29 September 2024 12:11:13 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote: > > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its > > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath > > it. So I have an "X

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

2024-09-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:08:36 BST Wols Lists wrote: > It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its > title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath > it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but > that's it. The "v"

Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

2024-09-29 Thread Viorel Munteanu
La 29.09.2024 12:08, Wols Lists a scris: It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise a

Re: [gentoo-user] Plasma 6 / KDE upgrade weirdo

2024-09-29 Thread Michael
On Sunday 29 September 2024 10:04:42 BST Wols Lists wrote: > Since I emerged and Plasma got upgraded, my configuration isn't > remembered from the previous state, nor does it get saved ... > > Then I ran dolphin from the command line, and got an error that REALLY > doesn't make sense! > > anthony

[gentoo-user] Thunderbird oddity

2024-09-29 Thread Wols Lists
It's actually been like this a while - but my Thunderbird has lost its title bar. The top bars are the search bar, with the menu bar underneath it. So I have an "X" to close thunderbird with on the search bar, but that's it. The "v" and "^" to maximise and minimise aren't there because the bar

[gentoo-user] Plasma 6 / KDE upgrade weirdo

2024-09-29 Thread Wols Lists
Since I emerged and Plasma got upgraded, my configuration isn't remembered from the previous state, nor does it get saved ... Then I ran dolphin from the command line, and got an error that REALLY doesn't make sense! anthony@thewolery ~/Scans/HP-M477/2024_09_28 $ dolphin . & [1] 23240 anthony

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 05:44:08AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >>> That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, >>> something >>> like this may help: >>> >>> https://proton.me/mail >> I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my sys

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Thursday 26 September 2024 22:11:20 BST Dale wrote: > >> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 >> Trying 142.251.116.108... >> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c... >> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable >> root@Gentoo-1 / # >> >> >> Can't connect.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Michael
On Friday 27 September 2024 17:28:13 BST Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > > On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > >>> You do know about the msmtp man page, right? > >> > >> Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right, > >> I'm not sure a man page is going to help much. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread John Blinka
On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 9:43 AM Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 05:44:08AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > > > That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, > something > > > like this may help: > > > > > > https://proton.me/mail > > > > > > I'll have to check in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > >>> You do know about the msmtp man page, right? >> Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right, >> I'm not sure a man page is going to help much. > The working configuration I provided didn't have an alias (or aliases

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Matt Connell wrote: >> On Wed, 2024-09-25 at 15:43 -0500, Dale wrote: >> No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system >> emails???  > I wouldn't consider gmail an option for any emails, system or > otherwise. > >> On Thu, 2024-09-26 at 02:28 -0500, Dale wrote: >> If you know a email

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: >> You do know about the msmtp man page, right? > > Well, if copying someone's known working config file doesn't work right, > I'm not sure a man page is going to help much. The working configuration I provided didn't have an alias (or aliases) command in it. > That s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > >> OK.  I added that line to the config file.  Then it gives me this error.  >> >> >> root@Gentoo-1 / # echo foo | msmtp -v bogus >> msmtp: /etc/msmtprc: line 5: unknown command alias >> root@Gentoo-1 / # > Sorry, my bad. It's aliases not alias:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Friday 27 September 2024 13:11:46 BST Dale wrote: >> Michael wrote: >>> You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all >>> (ssmtp/ >>> msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem. >>> You >>> need to sort out the network connection

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > OK.  I added that line to the config file.  Then it gives me this error.  > > > root@Gentoo-1 / # echo foo | msmtp -v bogus > msmtp: /etc/msmtprc: line 5: unknown command alias > root@Gentoo-1 / # Sorry, my bad. It's aliases not alias: $ man msmtp | grep alias

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of to root ... Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on auth=off from=rdalek1967gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the server sent an empt

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: >>> Sep 26 19:04:26 Gentoo-1 smartd[18737]: Executing test of to root ... >>> Sep 26 19:04:36 Gentoo-1 msmtp[18815]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on >>> auth=off from=rdalek1967gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='the >>> server sent an empty reply' exitcode=EX_PROTOCOL >> A

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Michael
On Friday 27 September 2024 13:11:46 BST Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > You may not have a mail application configuration problem after all > > (ssmtp/ > > msmtp), but you definitely have a network/server connectivity problem. > > You > > need to sort out the network connection first, before yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-27 Thread Michael
On Thursday 26 September 2024 22:11:20 BST Dale wrote: > root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 > Trying 142.251.116.108... > Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable > root@Gentoo-1 / # > > > Can't connect. Well, that explains a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > >> It says port 465 but it is using Oauth2 if that matters. > It doesn't. > >> I'll admit, the last time I got this working, I followed a guide and >> it just worked.  Once it worked, I left it alone.  I was scared that >> if I touched it, it wou

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-27, Dale wrote: > It says port 465 but it is using Oauth2 if that matters. It doesn't. > I'll admit, the last time I got this working, I followed a guide and > it just worked.  Once it worked, I left it alone.  I was scared that > if I touched it, it would stop working.  LOL  > > I c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app >> password worked fine from mutt. I don't have msmtp set up at the >> moment. > Ijust set up msmtp and it works too. Below is the msmtp config, > > * If you want,

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-26 Thread Mitchell Dorrell
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024, 07:41 Arsen Arsenović wrote: > I do wonder if we should keep s6, runit and daemontools in that virutal > though, given that we can't boot them. Perhaps they'd be fine behind a > USE flag. I'll propose that. > So, this is a case where you definitely always need one of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > >> root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 >> Trying 142.251.116.108... >> Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c... >> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable >> root@Gentoo-1 / # >> >> Can't connect. Well, that explains a l

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > I removed ssmtp and installed msmtp. I think I got the config set up > but it is different so I may not have it right. It doesn't work tho. > From messages. > > > Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of to root ... > Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 msmtp[3

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: >> Grant Edwards wrote: >> >>> It looks like your network is broken. Try this: >>> >>> $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 >>> Trying 209.85.145.109... >>> Connected to smtp.gmail.com. >>> Escape character is '^]'. >>> 220 smtp.gmail.co

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > root@Gentoo-1 / # telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 > Trying 142.251.116.108... > Trying 2607:f8b0:4023:1000::6c... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable > root@Gentoo-1 / # > > Can't connect. Well, that explains a lot. It can't reach anything to

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, Grant Edwards wrote: > I just did a quick test, and sending via smtp.gmail.com using an app > password worked fine from mutt. I don't have msmtp set up at the > moment. Ijust set up msmtp and it works too. Below is the msmtp config, * If you want, replace "account gmail" with "

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > >> It looks like your network is broken. Try this: >> >> $ telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 >> Trying 209.85.145.109... >> Connected to smtp.gmail.com. >> Escape character is '^]'. >> 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP 8926c6da1cb9f-4d6097

Re: [gentoo-user] French binhost down

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Alexis Praga wrote: > Hi, > > Just found out that http://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.gentoo.org/ (French mirror > that I use for binaries) is down. > Is there anyone that can be notified for that ? > > http://gentoo.mirrors.ovh.net/gentoo-distfiles/ works fine. > > Thanks, > > Alexis I forwarded a c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > >> I removed ssmtp and installed msmtp. I think I got the config set up >> but it is different so I may not have it right. It doesn't work tho. >> From messages. >> >> >> Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of to root ... >> S

[gentoo-user] French binhost down

2024-09-26 Thread Alexis Praga
Hi, Just found out that http://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.gentoo.org/ (French mirror that I use for binaries) is down. Is there anyone that can be notified for that ? http://gentoo.mirrors.ovh.net/gentoo-distfiles/ works fine. Thanks, Alexis signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Matt Connell
>On Wed, 2024-09-25 at 15:43 -0500, Dale wrote: > No one here has their system set up to use Gmail for system > emails???  I wouldn't consider gmail an option for any emails, system or otherwise. > On Thu, 2024-09-26 at 02:28 -0500, Dale wrote: > If you know a email service that isn't to expensiv

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > >> Sep 26 10:03:33 Gentoo-1 smartd[27728]: Executing test of to root ... >> Sep 26 10:05:40 Gentoo-1 msmtp[30861]: host=smtp.gmail.com tls=on >> auth=off from=rdalek1967gmail.com recipients=root errormsg='cannot >> connect to smt

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Thursday 26 September 2024 11:44:08 BST Dale wrote: >> Michael wrote: >>> On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote: ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google introduced 2- >>> Step-Verification for their GMail account. Consequently, t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: >>> It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to >>> provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' >>> personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more >>> inform

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 05:44:08AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > That said, if you're interested in limiting opportunistic snooping, > > something > > like this may help: > > > > https://proton.me/mail > > > I'll have to check into that more.  I'm not sure I could send my system > emails through tha

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > I was looking at fastmail but which ever you go with, you should setup > your own domain and that way if you don't like your provider you can > change without changing your email address. I"ve decided to do that several times over the past couple de

[gentoo-user] Re: Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-09-26, Dale wrote: > >> It used to be the case you could set up an 'App Password' without having to >> provide them with your phone number and other 'none-of-their-business' >> personal information, but for some years now they have been asking for more >> information to allow you to com

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread covici
On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 03:28:47 -0400, Dale wrote: > > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400, > > Dale wrote: > >> Dale wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I > >>> copied the settings over, I never tested it. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Michael
On Thursday 26 September 2024 11:44:08 BST Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote: > >> ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google > >> introduced 2- > > > > Step-Verification for their GMail account. Consequently, to be able to

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote: >> ssmtp stopped working with a conventional password when Google >> introduced 2- > Step-Verification for their GMail account. Consequently, to be able to > continue using ssmtp you need to set up an 'App Password' and use

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Wolfgang Müller
On 2024-09-02 21:44, Dale wrote: > Sep  2 21:23:08 Gentoo-1 smartd[20742]: Executing test of to root ... > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Unable to connect to > "smtp.gmail.com" port 587. > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sSMTP[20757]: Cannot open smtp.gmail.com:587 > Sep  2 21:25:25 Gentoo-1 sma

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Michael
On Thursday 26 September 2024 08:28:47 BST Dale wrote: > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400, > > > > Dale wrote: > >> Dale wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I posted the other day about my email setup. Then it hit me, while I > >>> copied the settings over, I never te

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread Dale
cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400, > Dale wrote: >> Dale wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I >>> copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure >>> enough, no email sent.  Got error messag

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-26 Thread covici
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:43:09 -0400, Dale wrote: > > Dale wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I > > copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure > > enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only,

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 08:25:12PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > I think the two of you are talking past each other. What did Arsen mean > by "the vague concept of IPv6"? I suspect he meant: > > You are trying to solve a concrete user issue with your browsing. Correct. > Your idea of how to sol

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Eli Schwartz
f how to solve the user issue is to blame IPv6, then get all meta about how to solve it and decide that the vague concept of IPv6 must be eradicated and purged from the public consciousness -- rather than disabling the specific issue that is causing problems. > I'm not the only one

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 2024-09-24 21:42:23, Eli Schwartz wrote: > > Please do not disable the USE=ipv6, as that is *utterly* insane. It also > does approximately nothing. In packages which support this USE flag, > which is rare, it causes the code to use old, untested APIs which only > support ipv4, rather than new,

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Walter Dnes
This is about solving a bug that makes browsing unbearable. I'm not the only one. See archive https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/14d2d8af-e7b9-d5e6-06c1-a7f3ad01a...@gmail.com/ > When syncing portage today I saw what the delay is: apparently it > tries ipv6 twice, fails, th

Re: [gentoo-user] Computer system email no not working since gmail change.

2024-09-25 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: > Hi, > > I posted the other day about my email setup.  Then it hit me, while I > copied the settings over, I never tested it.  So, I tested it.  Sure > enough, no email sent.  Got error messages tho.  I mostly, maybe only, > use this for SMART drive info.  If it detects failure or prob

[gentoo-user] Re: Package compile failures with "internal compiler error: Segmentation fault".

2024-09-25 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I was trying to re-emerge some packages.  The ones I was working on > failed with "internal compiler error: Segmentation fault" or similar > being the common reason for failing.  I did get gcc to compile and > install.  But other packages are failing, but some are compiling

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread jay
On 9/25/24 7:26 AM, Eli Schwartz wrote: On 9/25/24 6:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: >My system is actually very stable. In the shitstorm that erupted on > this list at "ipv6" enabling I did not see any mention of sysctl. In my > /etc/default/grub file I have... > > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/25/24 6:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > My system is actually very stable. In the shitstorm that erupted on > this list at "ipv6" enabling I did not see any mention of sysctl. In my > /etc/default/grub file I have... > > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="noexec=on net.ifnames=0 ipv6.disable=1" > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Walter Dnes writes: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 09:42:23PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > >> If you actually want to disable ipv6, instead of insanely rebuilding >> binaries to use untested broken segfaulting code, use the sysctl >> knob to tell the kernel "when asked to give some application a bit >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 09:42:23PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > If you actually want to disable ipv6, instead of insanely rebuilding > binaries to use untested broken segfaulting code, use the sysctl > knob to tell the kernel "when asked to give some application a bit > of internet traffic, don't u

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 6:00 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > >> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you >> think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems >> suddenly break? >> >> :( > > I was around way back whe

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Matt Jolly
Hi Alan, On 25/9/24 04:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Perhaps. As already said, I would have been much less jumpy if the explanations which have come in this thread had been in a news item. As has been mentioned here this was not news-worthy. There is no decision to make or mandatory migration. Us

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Matt Jolly
On 24/9/24 19:46, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: Do you specifically use the closed-source drivers, though? Yes. In both the 'kernel-open' and regular flavours.

Re: What is what (Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!)

2024-09-24 Thread Wols Lists
On 24/09/2024 19:32, k...@aspodata.se wrote: So should computer words be defined by non-professionals or thoose who knows ? Well, before computers, I thought servers worked in restaurants ... (And what the hell are thoose :-) One effect of letting non-professionals define words is the case w

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Frameworks 6 window management

2024-09-24 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 24 September 2024 18:11:09 BST Michael wrote: > I can't claim to understand this, but happy with the result all the same. Best just to put it down to the vagaries of GTK2 in a plama environment. :) -- Regards, Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 05:11:14PM -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote > Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you > think we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems > suddenly break? > > :( I was around way back when "ipv6" became the default. I was using Firefox b

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 2:53 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Regarding the daemontools situation: > >> """ >> for example with --depclean preserving packages in system, as well as world >> """ > >> Is not a valid suggestion, since --depclean already does precisely this, >> but openrc isn't a package in system, i

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
t openrc. But you can depclean > >> openrc itself in that case, since portage doesn't know which init system > >> you intend to keep. > > If I had invoked --depclean without the -a (or -p) flag, my system would > > have had openrc removed, and it would have been u

What is what (Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!)

2024-09-24 Thread karl
Wol: > On 23/09/2024 23:53, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > It's just the pc hoard that thinks a server is some machine handling (that should be horde, not hoard even though it sounds funny...) > > databases, mail, files, printers or what > > In other words, X uses the words the other way round than m

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Eli. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:24:14 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/24/24 8:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >>> The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo > >>> maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems > >>> suddenly break". I submitted a b

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE Frameworks 6 window management

2024-09-24 Thread Michael
On Thursday 5 September 2024 14:22:54 BST you wrote: > Since I upgraded to KDE Frameworks 6 I have observed some rather unwanted > window behaviours. > > 1. Window Interaction with Gkrellm > > DESIRED BEHAVIOUR: > == > I have Gkrellm started up by Plasma at login and placed at the

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/24/24 8:34 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo >>> maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems >>> suddenly break". I submitted a bug report about --depclean back in >>> the summer of 2021 (though I can't find th

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Eli Schwartz
tage doesn't know which init system >> you intend to keep. > > If I had invoked --depclean without the -a (or -p) flag, my system would > have had openrc removed, and it would have been unbootable. This is the > sort of thing a new Gentoo user might do. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Arsen. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 13:40:57 +0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: [ ] > >> So, @system requires you to have any one of: > >> - openrc > >> - openrc-navi (a testing fork with openrc user services) > >> - s6 > >> - systemd > >> - runit > >> - daemontools

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Arsen Arsenović
. And >> openrc is the preferred satisfier, so if you use `emerge --depclean` it >> will try to depclean the other package, not openrc. But you can depclean >> openrc itself in that case, since portage doesn't know which init system >> you intend to keep. > > If I

[gentoo-user] --depclean and openrc [Was: Wayland! Beware of!]

2024-09-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
can depclean > openrc itself in that case, since portage doesn't know which init system > you intend to keep. If I had invoked --depclean without the -a (or -p) flag, my system would have had openrc removed, and it would have been unbootable. This is the sort of thing a new Gentoo user mig

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Dr Rainer Woitok
Alan, On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 22:08:56 + you wrote: > ... > For example, emerge > --depclean on my system wants to unmerge openrc. Not a deliberate move > by the developers, just some accident. But it's the reason I don't do > emerge --depclean, ever

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Mitchell Dorrell
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 9:13 PM Matt Jolly wrote: > On 24/9/24 10:52, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: > > > I run a four-monitor system using NVIDIA's closed-source drivers. Last > > I heard, Wayland did not work with such a combination. Has that > > changed? > > I run several 3-monitor NVIDIA setups on W

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-24 Thread Wols Lists
On 23/09/2024 23:53, k...@aspodata.se wrote: It's just the pc hoard that thinks a server is some machine handling databases, mail, files, printers or what In other words, X uses the words the other way round than most people - what I said. Doesn't mean the majority are right! As far as I'm a

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/23/24 8:52 PM, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: > I run a lean X system for desktop workflows, with USE="-wayland". > Every unconditional dev-libs/wayland dependency I've encountered has > used dlopen. These were proprietary binary applications like Zoom and > Slack. On an X system, they work completel

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Matt Jolly
On 24/9/24 10:52, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: I run a four-monitor system using NVIDIA's closed-source drivers. Last I heard, Wayland did not work with such a combination. Has that changed? I run several 3-monitor NVIDIA setups on Wayland with no issue. One of my 4-monitor setups has one scree

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Mitchell Dorrell
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 5:11 PM Eli Schwartz wrote: > The resulting packages pull in support libraries that implement both > technologies. This is (usually, absent dlopen tricks) a fundamental > requirement of "ld.so", the runtime loader: if you compile support for > it, you have to have it instal

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Mon, 2024-09-23 at 22:08 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > But the unused code still gets built in, doesn't it? That's a somewhat > un-gentoo like situation. > It depends on the language, but in a compiled language, not usually. Regardless: if you aren't a fan of widespread changes to global

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/23/24 6:08 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you think >> we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems suddenly break? > > It happens, from time to time, by accident. For example, emerge > --depclean on my system wants to un

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread karl
Wol: ... > X comes in two halves, the front end (or server, they use the words the > other way round to normal), ... No, server is a software concept, a program that waits and responds to inbound calls, the X-server is just that. A client is a program/user that pokes at the server and get respon

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Eli. On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 17:11:14 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/23/24 4:14 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, Gentoo. > > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my > > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or > > reloaded, sev

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Wol
On 23/09/2024 21:14, Alan Mackenzie wrote: What on Earth is going on? I never asked for wayland, and I haven't received any news items about it in the last few weeks. I know little about this X substitute, but one thing's vitually certain; that installing it as emerge intended would lead to a l

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Hello, Alan, Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hello, Gentoo. > > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or > reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on? > > There were lots of qt and kde packag

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/23/24 4:14 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo. > > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or > reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on? > > There were lots of qt and kde p

[gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Gentoo. I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on? There were lots of qt and kde packages being sucked in. But what stood out prominently

Re: [gentoo-user] re-activating a netbook

2024-09-22 Thread Michael
Hi Philip, On Thursday 19 September 2024 19:39:38 BST Philip Webb wrote: > Back in 2009, I bought an Asus EEE netbook, Which model? Does it have a 32bit or 64bit CPU instruction set? [Snip ...] > I wanted to replace Windows with Linux Mint or another binary distro > -- avoiding the need to up

[gentoo-user] fsck operational error

2024-09-21 Thread ralfconn
Hello, Upon boot OpenRc shows this warning: fsck: checking local filesystem fsck: fsck.ext4 device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/nvme0n1p6 fsck: filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? fsck: operational error This is the root filesystem, and in fstab it is list

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-20 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 20 September 2024 19:27:33 BST Michael wrote: > On Friday 20 September 2024 14:38:53 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Friday 20 September 2024 13:53:13 BST Michael wrote: > > > I understand there were some changes with KSMServer on Qt6, so the > > > suggestion provided in the previous thr

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-20 Thread Michael
On Friday 20 September 2024 14:38:53 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday 20 September 2024 13:53:13 BST Michael wrote: > > I understand there were some changes with KSMServer on Qt6, so the > > suggestion provided in the previous thread may or may not work. It may > > work with X11 (if you provi

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-20 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 20 September 2024 13:53:13 BST Michael wrote: > I understand there were some changes with KSMServer on Qt6, so the > suggestion provided in the previous thread may or may not work. It may > work with X11 (if you provide $XDISPLAY), but not with Wayland. Quite so. That's why I was scrat

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-20 Thread Michael
ed. The question is: how? Everything > >>> I've found so far stopped working with Qt6. Not even doc.qt.io helps me. > >>> > >>> Hasn't this been tackled on this list before now? I thought it had but I > >>> can't find it if so. > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-20 Thread Dale
;>> >>> Hasn't this been tackled on this list before now? I thought it had but I >>> can't find it if so. >> I found this in a previous thread named [gentoo-user] Scripting KDE?. > --->8 > > Thank you Dale. I knew it was familiar. > > Don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-20 Thread Peter Humphrey
before now? I thought it had but I > > can't find it if so. > > I found this in a previous thread named [gentoo-user] Scripting KDE?. --->8 Thank you Dale. I knew it was familiar. Don't ask why I couldn't find it for myself, because I haven't a clue. -- Regards, Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] re-activating a netbook

2024-09-19 Thread Filip Kobierski
> Horace no longer boots from USB IMO that is because you are trying to boot in uefi mode and eeepc needs legacy mode. Try flashing something that supports the legacy mode (MBR and so on). Also I think reinstalling Gentoo would be easier than upgrading it. Do you still want to use it? If so, rem

[gentoo-user] re-activating a netbook

2024-09-19 Thread Philip Webb
Back in 2009, I bought an Asus EEE netbook, which I called Horace, & installed Gentoo alongside Windows, which I've never used. Gentoo was last updated in 2015 ; the device is in good repair. Recently, I checked Horace & he still does 1 of his intended jobs, ie reading & editing texts of novels

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-18 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 6:42 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Greetings, > > I maintain an ~amd64 system remotely over SSH (from downstairs), and that > includes rebooting it with, say, a new kernel. Sometimes the system is running > a KDE/Plasma GUI, and I want to log out gracefully from it before re

Re: [gentoo-user] Exiting from Qt6 over SSH

2024-09-18 Thread Dale
ing, > so that my session is saved. The question is: how? Everything I've found so > far stopped working with Qt6. Not even doc.qt.io helps me. > > Hasn't this been tackled on this list before now? I thought it had but I > can't > find it if so. > I found this

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