You guys might find this study from google interesting:
http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:38:34AM +0200, David Haller wro
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:38:34AM +0200, David Haller wrote:
> >I bought my current internal laptop disk for Christmas 2008. It's a Samsung
> >HM500JI (with 500 GB). Early on I noticed that, according to smartctl, its
> >Load_Cycle_Count is increasing every 2 or 3 seconds. I even asked Samsung
Hello,
On Sat, 12 May 2012, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:20:57PM -0400, Norman Invasion wrote:
>> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>> > videos on, eventually. The prices are coming d
Hello,
On Sat, 12 May 2012, Mick wrote:
>Is this 193 Load_Cycle_Count an issue only on the green drives?
AFAIK it was a firmware bug on some models.
>I have a very old Compaq laptop here that shows:
>
># smartctl -A /dev/sda | egrep "Power_On|Load_Cycle"
> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 055
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:20:57PM -0400, Norman Invasion wrote:
> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
> > videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
> > these "green" drives that are mad
Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 10:34:12 schrieb Mick:
> On Thursday 10 May 2012 19:51:14 Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Norman Invasion
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
> > >>
> > >> wrote
On Thursday 10 May 2012 19:51:14 Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Norman Invasion
>
> wrote:
> > On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >>
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 12:20 -0400, Norman Invasion wrote:
> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
> > videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
> > these "green" drives that are made by ju
Hello,
On Fri, 11 May 2012, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:53:27 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
>> On my HDDs, I cannot disable APM but I can disable spindown by
>> changing the power-saving level to 254. I have a script in
>> /etc/local.d/ which calls:
>
>You don't need a script, add th
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:53:27 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On my HDDs, I cannot disable APM but I can disable spindown by
> changing the power-saving level to 254. I have a script in
> /etc/local.d/ which calls:
You don't need a script, add the options you need to /etc/conf.d/hdparm
and add hdparm
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:55 AM, wrote:
>
> hum hum!
> I know that Windows does this by default (it annoys me so I disable it)
> but does linux disable or stop running the disks if they're inactive?
> I'm assuming there's an option somewhere - maybe just `unmount`!
Some drives cannot have this s
On Thursday 10 May 2012 00:58:47 Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> >> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
> >>> Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the box. S
nap...@squareownz.org wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:38:34AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>> The default is to keep them all running and to not spin them down. I
>> have never had a Linux OS to spin down a drive unless I set/told it to.
>> You can do this tho. The command and option is:
>>
>> hdpa
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:36:46 +0200, David Haller wrote:
> Basically: they run a 5400 min^-1, the "normal" ones at 7200 min^-1
> and the green use less power.
Some green drives run at 5900rpm.
--
Neil Bothwick
WinErr 01E: Timing error - Please wait. And wait. And wait. And wait.
signature.as
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:38:20 +0200
David Haller wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 09 May 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >One thing we have noticed is that Samsung's recent model are not very
> >"green", they spin up slowly, use lots of power and make a racket
> >when spinning. But they do work.
>
> Whi
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
> videos on, eventually.
Hi Dale,
One thing I wanted to point out about the task you have in front of
you. There is a problem in your work statement here and it really
co
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Dale wrote:
>While on the thread. Has anyone had any sort of luck with the
>recertified drives?
Avoid them.
-dnh
--
Well I wish you'd just tell me rather than try to engage my enthusiasm.
-- Marvin
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>One thing we have noticed is that Samsung's recent model are not very
>"green", they spin up slowly, use lots of power and make a racket when
>spinning. But they do work.
Which ones? I've got one of all Models of the last years, and to none
applie
Hello,
On Wed, 09 May 2012, Dale wrote:
>As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
>these "green" drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
> When comparing them to a non "green" dr
Hello,
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Mark Knecht wrote:
>On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
> wrote:
>> They have an ugly tendency to nod off at 6 second intervals.
>> This runs up "193 Load_Cycle_Count" unacceptably: as many
>> as a few hundred thousand in a year & a million cycles is
>> get
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Norman Invasion
wrote:
> On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
>> wrote:
>>> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
vi
On 10 May 2012 14:01, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
> wrote:
>> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>>> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seein
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Norman Invasion
wrote:
> On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
>> these "green" drives that are made by just abo
On 9 May 2012 04:47, Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
> these "green" drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
> When comparing them to a non "gree
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:38:34AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> The default is to keep them all running and to not spin them down. I
> have never had a Linux OS to spin down a drive unless I set/told it to.
> You can do this tho. The command and option is:
>
> hdparm -S /dev/sdX
>
> X would be the
* Dale [120509 19:54]:
[..]
> Way back in the stone age, there was a guy that released a curve for
> electronics life. The failure rate is high at the beginning, especially
> for the first few minutes, then falls to about nothing, then after
> several years it goes back up again. At the beginnin
nap...@squareownz.org wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Dale wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>
> My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
> Like cars[1], they're all go
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> >> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >
> >>> My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
> >>> Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the bo
>> Way back in the stone age, there was a guy that released a curve for
>> electronics life. The failure rate is high at the beginning, especially
>> for the first few minutes, then falls to about nothing, then after
>> several years it goes back up again.
That concept is much more general than j
On May 10, 2012 6:54 AM, "Dale" wrote:
>
> Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> >> It doesn't matter what brand you go with
> >
> > Especially true since there are only 2 companies actually making
> > consumer hard drives anymore: WD and Seagate. Both of them see
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>>> My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
>>> Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the box. Same
>>> with bikes[2].
>>>
>>> A manufacturer may have some ba
Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dale wrote:
>> It doesn't matter what brand you go with
>
> Especially true since there are only 2 companies actually making
> consumer hard drives anymore: WD and Seagate. Both of them seem to
> know what they are doing, for the most part...
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymore.
>> Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the box. Same
>> with bikes[2].
>>
>> A manufacturer may have some bad luck and a product range is
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dale wrote:
> It doesn't matter what brand you go with
Especially true since there are only 2 companies actually making
consumer hard drives anymore: WD and Seagate. Both of them seem to
know what they are doing, for the most part...
Some hard drives fail at the
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2012, 03:47:09 schrieb Dale:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
>> these "green" drives that are made by just about every compa
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 04:52:57 -0500
> Dale wrote:
>
>> I was thinking the same thing about the speed and them lasting longer
>> because of the slower speed. I mean, it's less wear and less heat.
>> I'd just hate to buy one and it be a piece of junk or something else I
>> wa
On Wed, 09 May 2012 04:52:57 -0500
Dale wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing about the speed and them lasting longer
> because of the slower speed. I mean, it's less wear and less heat.
> I'd just hate to buy one and it be a piece of junk or something else I
> wasn't expecting to be wrong. I
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Paul Hartman
wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> The best answer at the time was some piece of low level software from
>> WD called something like wdtwiddle or something
>
> WDTLER :)
>
Hey, I wasn't that far off! ;-)
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> The best answer at the time was some piece of low level software from
> WD called something like wdtwiddle or something
WDTLER :)
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2012 7:36 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>>
>> As for RAID, +100 to not use them. The WD Green drives do not support
>> time-limited error recovery (TLER) and spin down based on their view
>> of trying to save power. For me anyway they s
On May 9, 2012 7:36 PM, "Mark Knecht" wrote:
>
> As for RAID, +100 to not use them. The WD Green drives do not support
> time-limited error recovery (TLER) and spin down based on their view
> of trying to save power. For me anyway they simply didn't work well in
> any RAID configuration. I switche
On 2012-05-09 8:06 AM, m...@trausch.us wrote:
AFAIK, the only technical difference between a consumer drive and an
enterprise one is that the enterprise one doesn't tell lies. Or at
least, it isn't supposed to.
There's a bit more to it than that...
http://download.intel.com/support/motherboa
Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2012, 03:47:09 schrieb Dale:
> Hi,
>
> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
> these "green" drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
> When comparing the
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2012-05-09 4:47 AM, Dale wrote:
>>
>> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
>> these "green" drives that are made by just about every com
On 05/09/2012 07:47 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> As long as you don't use them in any kind of RAID setup you they should
> be fine.
>
> The biggest difference between them and 'enterprise' class drives is the
> enterprise class drives are designed for multi-drive RAID setups... you
> don't want drives t
Daniel Troeder wrote:
> I'm using big WD Caviar Green (WDxxEAxx) SATA HDDs for some years now in
> my home 24/7 server, and haven't had any issues - they run cool and
> low-noise, and the performance is good. Low power and heat was what was
> important for me when choosing. HDD performance isn't an
On 2012-05-09 4:47 AM, Dale wrote:
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these "green" drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them to a non "green" drive, d
I'm using big WD Caviar Green (WDxxEAxx) SATA HDDs for some years now in
my home 24/7 server, and haven't had any issues - they run cool and
low-noise, and the performance is good. Low power and heat was what was
important for me when choosing. HDD performance isn't an issue anyway,
when storing me
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 03:47:09 -0500
> Dale wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
>> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
>> these "green" drives that are made by just about every company
On Wed, 09 May 2012 03:47:09 -0500
Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
> videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
> these "green" drives that are made by just about every company
> nowadays. When comparing them
Hi,
As some know, I'm planning to buy me a LARGE hard drive to put all my
videos on, eventually. The prices are coming down now. I keep seeing
these "green" drives that are made by just about every company nowadays.
When comparing them to a non "green" drive, do they hold up as good?
Are they a
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