Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-05-19 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:58:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Sorry for necro-posting, but I wanted to “add my mustard”, as we say over here. > > > Why on earth is udev launching daemons in EARLY BOOT? > > > > Your guess is as good as mine! > > […] > > Perhaps the ability to hear the computer

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-04-03 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Tue, Apr 03 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:43:16 -0400 > Allan Gottlieb wrote: > >> I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is. >> allan > > > I really did want to look at this thoroughly for you, but I've been > flat on my back with some illness or other

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-04-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:43:16 -0400 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is. > allan I really did want to look at this thoroughly for you, but I've been flat on my back with some illness or other for a few days. Do you still need my eyeballs on this

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-30 Thread David W Noon
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:26:43 +0800, wdk@moriah wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > On 29/03/2012, at 20:01, David W Noon wrote: [snip] > > At present, the first thing I see when udev starts is a failed > > attempt to run /usr/sbin/alsactl to restore t

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread wdk@moriah
On 29/03/2012, at 20:01, David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > >> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 >> David W Noon wrote: > [snip] >>> The Gentoo develope

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest - she was > the bimbo who announced to the room whenever the computer went bing :-D An underrated movie which contains a lot of geek and "Star Trek"/"SciFi in general" parody... Thumbs up! :-D

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:49 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 > > David W Noon wrote: > [snip] > > > The Gento

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 20:06, Neil Bothwick wrote: > I wait with bated breath. Even if less than perfect, it will be > better than mine :) I'll be sure to let you know if I find "perfection"... Perhaps an AI system that takes care of it self and serves me drinks (with or without an umbrella) while I lay o

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:31 +0200, pk wrote: > But this is quite pointless (my whining) > since, as someone else mentioned, "code talks...". Perhaps some day I > can find the time to hack my own solution (which of course will be > perfection ;-) ). I wait with bated breath. Even if less than per

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >> Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do >> updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue! > > I wonder how many threads we'll get with "I haven't updated my Gentoo for > over a year, how do

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread pk
On 2012-03-29 01:20, Neil Bothwick wrote: > I'm in favour of /bin and /lib, and I see the pros and cons of > /sbin and am not too bothered about how that is done. But having > two (or more) of each of these is an artificial mess that is a > solution to a problem that As I said, it's a matter o

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:08:40 -0400, Doug Hunley wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon > wrote: [snip] > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that.  The reason is > > that many of the daemons that

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > >> > That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The >> > split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things >> > in different boxes based on their

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > > That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The > > split between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things > > in different boxes based on their function is good practice. Doing it > > based on some arbitra

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > >> There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely >> disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a >> platform, is *dying*. > > It's not dying, it's e

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Doug Hunley
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 19:20, David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 >> David W Noon wrote: > [snip] >> > With the pending c

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wed, March 28, 2012 12:49 am, Mark Knecht wrote: > Do nothing. Just read, watch, learn but most important don't do > updates. Just wait. Patience is a virtue! I wonder how many threads we'll get with "I haven't updated my Gentoo for over a year, how do I best do the upgrade?" from people fo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 > David W Noon wrote: [snip] > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason is > > that many of the d

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely > disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a > platform, is *dying*. It's not dying, it's evolving - with the associated growing pains. Of course, that's n

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Allan Gottlieb
I forgot one of the commands alan wanted to see. Here it is. allan ajglap gottlieb # fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 b

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 > > David W Noon wrote: > [snip] > > > With th

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Wed, Mar 28 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: > What you describe sounds ok, but I'd still hesitate to give a definite > answer without a little more data. > > If you send over the output of > > df -h > du -shx for each partition you have > fdisk -l > pvdisplay > vgdisplay > lvdisplay > > I'll be hap

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 >> David W Noon wrote: > [snip] >>> With the pending changes to udev scripts, yo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] > > >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: >> >> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way?  In that case, I may >> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there.  May

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:58:23 +0200, pk wrote: > organisation and I happen to be on the side which thinks the FHS > rationalisation for /bin, /sbin, /lib is a neat one. Others thinks the > neatest solution is to put everything into one directory (whatever that > may be) and that's fine too, if ther

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:26:40 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 > David W Noon wrote: [snip] > > With the pending changes to udev scripts, you could well need /var > > -- and anything else --

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:01:24 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100 > > David W Noon wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 27

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:40:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100 > David W Noon wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: > > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread pk
On 2012-03-28 20:29, Mike Edenfield wrote: > I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and > /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the "true UNIX way" that Linux is > following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :) Yep, next up is transitioning to a more modern handl

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:20:23 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] > InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > [snip] > >> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:51:23 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init > > > script and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs > > > file is a plain cpio archive, and post it

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:20:25 -0400 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will > > shuffle things around just like in that 15 pieces game. > > This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so s

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Simon
> > Then > copy /usr over: >mount -o bind / /mnt >mount -o remount,ro /usr >cp -a /usr/* /mnt/ > The bind moun t makes the root FS appear in a 2nd place, without /usr > being populated by the content of your /usr partition. > Don't forget to remove /usr from /etc/fstab. > I

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may > > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what > > they wanted and planned. > > According to

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Alex Schuster
Allan Gottlieb writes: > On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Move partitions after / on the disk out of the way creating enough > > free space to contain current / and /usr. > > Question. /dev/sda7 is LVM and that is used for /usr, /local, et al. > How do I move an LVM partition? I c

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Tue, Mar 27 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: > All you need is a decent amount of free disk space as you will shuffle > things around just like in that 15 pieces game. This sounds encouraging. My disk is less than half full so space is not an issue. > Assuming / is the first (or second) partition

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? In that case, I may as > well use Fedora since it sort of started there. Maybe that is what they > wanted and planned. According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red Hat. It

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script >> > and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a >> > plain cpio archive, and post it here.

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:47:06 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Why not post the details of it? All an initramfs is is an init script > > and a few binaries. Extract the init script, the initramfs file is a > > plain cpio archive, and post it here. > > I did post it a week or so ago in another thread. Th

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread du yang
On Tuesday 03/27/12 21:19:00 CST, Mike Edenfield wrote: > On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been looking for simple method to create a simple > > initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. > > > > I've found > > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_ch

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 18:18 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: > > Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like > > I love genkernel, it just makes life so much easier, you don't have > enter every command manually. And still keeps it the gentoo-way: you can > configure e

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] > InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: > [snip] >>> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no >>> longer a problem. Sor

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] >> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no >> longer a problem. Sorted. And /var ?? > But what about using LVM? Peo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 >>> Dale wrote: >>> Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale > wrote: > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly >> isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall >> and not format /home. > > That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly > isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall > and not format /home. That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need to reinstall just roll back to t

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale wrote: >> >>> >>> Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no >>> idea how to fix it.  None at all. >> >> I understand. My question is why are you even using th

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500 Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 > > Dale wrote: > > > >> Mark Knecht wrote: > >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale > >>> wrote: > >>> Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either > switch to

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale wrote: > >> >> Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no >> idea how to fix it. None at all. > > I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd? > There's no requirement to use it today, at

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote: >>> >>> Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro >>> >>> >>> Just remember, with distros it's the d

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: >>> I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it.

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote: > > > > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either > >> switch to another distro > > > > > > Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devi

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale wrote: > > Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no > idea how to fix it.  None at all. I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd? There's no requirement to use it today, at least on stable. There's not ev

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > >> Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other >> post. >> Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another >> distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working o

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote: > > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either >> switch to another distro > > > Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you > don't know... > > I don't understand why any of this /us

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: > > > >> I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it > >> doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using > >> it. If I wanted a OS that doesn'

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: > >> I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't >> work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I >> wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. >> Hey, it does

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:20:45 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: > > From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] > > > Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a > > config > file that > > lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build > automatically > >

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other post. > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another > distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working or just move > everything to / an

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] > Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a config file that > lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build automatically > pulls everything in for me. The only other thing I need is the init script. So I >

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: > I like, even love, Gentoo.  Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't > work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it.  If I > wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. > Hey, it does install fairly fast but it

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale wrote: >> Sebastian Beßler wrote: >>> On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. >>> >>> Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of >>> the Ubuntu family anymore. That means mu

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote:  Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either > switch to another distro Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you don't know... I don't understand why any of this /usr /udev stuff is bothering you. Do you

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale wrote: >> Michael Hampicke wrote: > >>> >>> I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel >>> because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do >>> this with genkernel. I've been doing it for years.

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale wrote: > Sebastian Beßler wrote: >> On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: >>> May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. >> >> Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of >> the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:30:41 -0500, Dale wrote: > The other way around. When I boot using the init thingy, if I login as > a user, dale in this case, I can not su to root. I think the error was > something like authentication failed or something to that effect. > > I can reboot the exact same k

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:09:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > copy old config > > make oldconfig > > make all && make modules_install > > copy kernel to /boot make all modules_install install does everything the last two lines do in a single command. > > > > That to me seems a LOT easier and it als

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Sebastian Beßler wrote: > On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: >> May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. > > Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of > the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less > manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: > May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy bothers you, Kubuntu will be living

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > >> Mike Edenfield wrote: > >>> I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable >>> udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an >>> initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > Mike Edenfield wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable > > udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an > > initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me on all of the > > systems I

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale wrote: > Michael Hampicke wrote: >> >> I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel >> because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do >> this with genkernel. I've been doing it for years. > > > I tried genkernel and

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Michael Hampicke wrote: >> Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like >> that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it >> helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities >> of current and future systems). But now I have to find t

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael Hampicke wrote: >> Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like >> that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it >> helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities >> of current and future

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Hampicke
> Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like > that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it > helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities > of current and future systems). But now I have to find time to learn > how to use Ge

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:20:44 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > With the latest genkernel, my initrd mounts /usr, however the fsck is > never done because its mounted -- any solution for this? ISTR this coming up recently and the solution being to run fsck from the shutdown runlevel. -- Nei

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: >>> If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default >>> installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an >>> initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are. >>> >>> I've been working on updating the wiki with more detai

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread covici
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > > > If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if > > the "you can just use $x" tools work on stable. I've got three > > previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting right now >

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> > If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default > > installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an > > initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are. > > > > I've been working on updating the wiki with more detailed > > instructions;

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if > the "you can just use $x" tools work on stable. I've got three > previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting right now > because of this udev+/usr nonsens

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been looking for simple method to create a simple >> initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. >> >> I've found >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The def

[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr which didn't work for me. So, I've modified it, see http://www.igpm.rwth-aachen.de/jarausch/Temp/InitRAM