Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-26 Thread Mick
On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the toolchain , then GCC Glibc ...kernel some unity ... from source ,but where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-26 Thread sam new
thanks mick ,that not my meaning, it is not about how to install gentoo On 26 November 2010 16:58, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 26 November 2010 06:07:58 sam new wrote: Thanks all, I have a question , when we build the system, always use host client to build the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-26 Thread sam new
thanks mick ,I am afraid that is not my meaning, it is not about how to install gentoo . where the frist system come from ,does it build using the Assembly language or machine language? I mean just give you X86 hardware and power , no OS, no livd cd . how to build On 26 November 2010 16:58,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread sam new
I have try LFS (linux from scratch) ,and install gentoo use stage3 .Does the stage1 installs like that,Compile the toolchain and build the system? On 24 November 2010 23:58, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:10:01 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread David W Noon
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:10:02 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: I have try LFS (linux from scratch) ,and install gentoo use stage3 .Does the stage1 installs like that,Compile the toolchain and build the system? Yes, You have to use the bootstrap compiler to build GCC, even

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread Mick
On Thursday 25 November 2010 17:40:08 David W Noon wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:10:02 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: I have try LFS (linux from scratch) ,and install gentoo use stage3 .Does the stage1 installs like that,Compile the toolchain and build the system

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-25 Thread sam new
and power , no OS, no livd cd . I am afraid it is out of this topic.but it always puzzled me :-) On 26 November 2010 03:47, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 25 November 2010 17:40:08 David W Noon wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:10:02 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:06:44 +0800, sam new wrote: still do stage 1 installs? sounds good ,any guide or tutorial? Yes, don't do it :) -- Neil Bothwick Anyone able to feel pain is trainable. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:53:02 +, David W Noon wrote: Apparently it's not quite a full i686. The research I did at the time indicated that using anything higher than i486 was asking for problems. I am a little surprised by that. I ran a couple of K6-3 boxes for some few years using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:45:59 +, David W Noon wrote: This clearly will not work with a k6 processor or the Geode LX. Recall, I want one set of settings for the make.conf file That part of my follow-up was intended for Neil Bothwick, as I was replying to a message of his. In which

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 24 November 2010 11:23:48 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:53:02 +, David W Noon wrote: Apparently it's not quite a full i686. The research I did at the time indicated that using anything higher than i486 was asking for problems. I am a little surprised by

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: The Geode LX runs badly on i586 instructions. Take a look here: http://www.twam.info/hardware/chost-i586-vs-i486-on-amd-geode-lx OK, it is as I suspected, only use i586 in lieu of i486, but with this stage-3 file:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:52:19 + (UTC), James wrote: Take a look here: http://www.twam.info/hardware/chost-i586-vs-i486-on-amd-geode-lx So 486 is equal to 586 on most tests but better on some and worse on none. As far as the Geode LX is concerned, that makes the choice a no-brainer. On the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-24 Thread David W Noon
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:10:01 +0100, sam new wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: still do stage 1 installs? sounds good ,any guide or tutorial? If you need a tutorial then you aren't ready for doing a stage 1. Do a few stage 3 installs first and you will get the hang of what goes into those

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: make that i586 CFLAGS=-Os -march=??? -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} so that would be: CHOST=i486-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-Os -march=i586 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} Remember the purpose is to install a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:09:59 + (UTC), James wrote: (I forgot about the geode board.) The Geode is one I'm not too sure about. My Viglen MPC-L, which I think is a Geode LX, uses CFLAGS=-O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} CHOST=i486-pc-linux-gnu % cat

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Tuesday 23 November 2010, James wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: make that i586 CFLAGS=-Os -march=??? -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} so that would be: CHOST=i486-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-Os -march=i586 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: no, that would be CHOST=i586-pc-linux-gnu CHOST=i586-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-Os -march=i586 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} USE=-* -nls ncurses ssl crypt berkdb perl pcre \ python readline zlib bzip2 nptl nptlonly syslog

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:10:02 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:09:59 + (UTC), James wrote: (I forgot about the geode board.) The Geode is one I'm not too sure about. My Viglen MPC-L, which I think is a Geode LX, uses CFLAGS=-O2 -march

[gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread James
David W Noon dwnoon at ntlworld.com writes: Try using i686 instead. This clearly will not work with a k6 processor or the Geode LX. Recall, I want one set of settings for the make.conf file flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:36:49 +, David W Noon wrote: CFLAGS=-O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} CHOST=i486-pc-linux-gnu Try using i686 instead. flags : fpu de pse tsc msr cx8 pge cmov mmx mmxext 3dnowext You have CMOV and MMX, as well as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:02 +0100, James wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: i486: David W Noon dwnoon at ntlworld.com writes: Try using i686 instead. This clearly will not work with a k6 processor or the Geode LX. Recall, I want one set of settings for the make.conf file That part of my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:12:53 + (UTC), James wrote: ???( and I have to vet against what the Geode LX can handle, as that is not yet clear to me either... besides I think all of these get set, automatically with the march=i586 setting, so as to be redundant.? The Geode LX runs badly

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:02 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:36:49 +, David W Noon wrote: CFLAGS=-O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} CHOST=i486-pc-linux-gnu Try using i686 instead. flags : fpu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i486

2010-11-23 Thread sam new
still do stage 1 installs? sounds good ,any guide or tutorial? On 24 November 2010 06:45, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:02 +0100, James wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: i486: David W Noon dwnoon at ntlworld.com writes: Try using i686 instead