* kashani [110606 19:37]:
> On 6/6/2011 4:31 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did
> > opine
> > thusly:
> >
> >> Ju want closet commando action? Check out some of my old
> >> college buddies from Alaska:
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube
On Monday 06 June 2011 11:55:07 Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2011-06-06 11:16 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> >> Not idea, I'll grant you, but it isn't *that* hard to do...
> >
> > If you know the different locations to change it AND realize you need to
> > restart the application for changes like these to
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine
thusly:
Indi gmail.com> writes:
Do people down there spend an inordinate amount of time setting off
explosives and shooting guns, like they do here in GA? Originally
I'm from NE PA,
On 6/6/2011 4:31 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine
thusly:
Ju want closet commando action? Check out some of my old
college buddies from Alaska:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tza2L6kfl8E&feature=youtu.be
PEACE (through sup
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine
thusly:
> Indi gmail.com> writes:
> > Do people down there spend an inordinate amount of time setting off
> > explosives and shooting guns, like they do here in GA? Originally
> > I'm from NE PA, which is a pretty red
Indi gmail.com> writes:
> Do people down there spend an inordinate amount of time setting off
> explosives and shooting guns, like they do here in GA? Originally
> I'm from NE PA, which is a pretty redneck place. But GA is a whole
> nother thang, as they say. :) Most people are very nice thou
On 06/06/2011 05:26 AM, Indi wrote:
> The fact they carried so many of their mistakes to v3 as if they
> were treasure not to be left behind has perhaps said the most
> about why I can't recommend or support thunderbird.
I can't disagree, but I've become accustomed to its bugs :)
This thread
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:59:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> You all ain't seen nothing yet, try Johannesburg.
>
> We don't have lions and tigers in the streets but we got at least one
> of anything else that's crazy
Especially BOFH sysadmins...
--
Neil Bothwick
ISDN: It Still Does Nothing
si
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:24 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> > We have folks every week that park their car inside of their
> > neighbor's living room. Mix that traffic pattern with Tourists
> > of vacation and you can see just how fun our roads are here.
> > Florida
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:01:35 + (UTC)
James wrote:
> Indi gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> > Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that
> > people either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well
> > enough for most things that need doing (the state of GA even says I
>
On 06/06/2011 11:07 AM, James wrote:
>
> Using seamonkey as the browser, you can just set your middle mouse
> button or wheel to roll up and down the size of the font for anything
> you see. Very convenient for folks that constantly need to adjust fonts sizes.
> I never tried to set this up for T
Indi gmail.com> writes:
> The font thing is one of the main reasons I prefer so many CLI programs.
> I can configure my terminals and emulators *once* and most everything I
> need is usable. A lot of the gtk, qt, fltk, etc interfaces are
> absolutely horrible for people who need large text, an
Indi gmail.com> writes:
> Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that people
> either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well enough for most
> things that need doing (the state of GA even says I can drive, but then
> if you've ever been here you know they say th
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:19:40PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
>
> Not every tool is for every user or every need.
> If there a better tool to use then why bother with something less.
> I'm not a thunderbird fanboy so i can accept that t-bird has its
> limitations and its problems and that it i
Am 06.06.2011 19:04, schrieb Indi:
> Thanks for the info.
> What matters though is that it is very hard to configure properly
> for people who need larger fonts so I'm not going to bother
> with it further.
Not every tool is for every user or every need.
If there a better tool to use then why
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:50:34PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
>
>
> Thunderbird doesn't use system xulrunner.
> I use mail-client/thunderbird-3.1.10 and xulrunner-5.0_beta2 for firefox.
>
Thanks for the info.
What matters though is that it is very hard to configure properly
for people who
Am 06.06.2011 18:38, schrieb Indi:
> BTW, the testing I did was with version 3.1.10, and with portage
> building it, rather than using thunderbird-bin. The version of
> xulrunner is 2.0.1-r1i, which seems to be working just fine with
> both firefox and conkeror (no, I don't mean "konqueror").
T
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:38:08PM -0400, Indi wrote:
>
> xulrunner is 2.0.1-r1i
>
Should say "2.0.1-r1", sorry.
--
klaatu virada nicto
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:34:34PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 17:55, schrieb Indi:
>
> > Uh, no. I will decide what's "too big to be usable", not the software,
> > thank you.
>
> It is not really the software that decides that. Thunderbird is a gui
> application and all guis h
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 05:28:14PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi:
>
> > Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86?
> > :)
>
> That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop
> and there thunderbird reads and applies the
Am 06.06.2011 17:55, schrieb Indi:
> Uh, no. I will decide what's "too big to be usable", not the software,
> thank you.
It is not really the software that decides that. Thunderbird is a gui
application and all guis have limitations that they have to cope with.
Thunderbird with its mostly fixed p
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:28:14 +0200
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi:
>
> > Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86?
> > :)
>
> That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop
> and there thunderbird reads and applies the user
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 11:07:28 -0400
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2011-06-06 10:48 AM, Indi wrote:
> > At one point it was far more specific with a number of individual
> > fonts listed, not one of them worked.
>
> Did you make the change while Thunderbird was running?
>
No.
> Also - 32px would be H
On 2011-06-06 11:16 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> All you have to do is first tell Thunderbird which folders you want to use:
>> Tools > Accounts Settings > Copies & Folders
>>
>> For Trash:
>>
>> Tools > Accounts Settings > Server Settings > When I delete a message:
> 2 different locations to co
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:13:39 +0200
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> As an extension of my previous mail there is although the addon
> stylish that can be used to set all that without the need to restart
> thunderbird for every change.
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/stylish/
>
Wow
Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi:
> Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86?
> :)
That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop
and there thunderbird reads and applies the userChrome.css just like
here with my ~amd64 thunderbird.
The programmcode for
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:58:55 +0200
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 16:48, schrieb Indi:
>
> > Very first thing I tried after realizing they stupidly didn't allow
> > it in the config options was
> >
> > /* Global UI font */
> > * { font-size: 32px !important;
> > font-family: DejaVu
On Monday 06 June 2011 08:36:47 Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2011-06-06 8:26 AM, Indi wrote:
> > It forces one to log into the IMAP server manually and restore order,
> > as the configuration dialog gives no way of doing that. Then, making
> > sure tbird is not running, one must go into ~/.thunderbird/, f
As an extension of my previous mail there is although the addon stylish
that can be used to set all that without the need to restart thunderbird
for every change.
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/stylish/
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On 2011-06-06 10:48 AM, Indi wrote:
> At one point it was far more specific with a number of individual
> fonts listed, not one of them worked.
Did you make the change while Thunderbird was running?
As I said, changes to userChromes.css MUST be done while it is NOT
running, otherwise they WILL N
Am 06.06.2011 16:48, schrieb Indi:
> Very first thing I tried after realizing they stupidly didn't allow
> it in the config options was
>
> /* Global UI font */
> * { font-size: 32px !important;
> font-family: DejaVu Sans Mono !important;
> }
>
> Zero results.
That looks right.
Where in you
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:33:20PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 16:24, schrieb Indi:
>
> > If you (or if anyone using it *on* *linux*) manage(s) to double the
> > size of the default fonts in the folder list and message list I'll
> > listen,
>
> You mean something like this?
>
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:37:26AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2011-06-06 8:44 AM, Indi wrote:
> > You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
> > thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
>
> As I said, there is nothing indicating that userChrome.css hacks are not
> cross-plat
Am 06.06.2011 16:24, schrieb Indi:
> If you (or if anyone using it *on* *linux*) manage(s) to double the
> size of the default fonts in the folder list and message list I'll
> listen,
You mean something like this?
http://twitpic.com/57u6s9
It works just like Tanstaafl said with userChrome.css
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:47:33PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Am 06.06.2011 14:44, schrieb Indi:
> >
> > You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
> > thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
>
> I use Thunderbird here runnung on my beloved gentoo and all that
> Tansta
Am 06.06.2011 14:44, schrieb Indi:
>
> You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
> thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
I use Thunderbird here runnung on my beloved gentoo and all that
Tanstaafl wrote just works here too.
So if it does not work for you it most likely is
On 2011-06-06 8:44 AM, Indi wrote:
> You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
> thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
As I said, there is nothing indicating that userChrome.css hacks are not
cross-platform. I really did think they were. Also, I *did* state in my
initial p
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:23:06PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 13:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
> thusly:
>
> > > tbird is a Moz product. Rendering stuff on screen is almost everything
> > > that they do ... everything else supporting just that one t
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:38:17PM +0200, enno+gen...@groeper-berlin.de wrote:
>
> As I'm not affected I don't know about any issues for the visually impaired.
>
Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that people
either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well enou
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
Thank you.
:)
--
klaatu virada nicto
Hi,
Am 06.06.2011 12:34, schrieb Indi:
> Another giant, glaring flaw: Doesn't appear to be any addressbook
> integration whatsoever that I can find, so it's necessary to pretend
> it's the 80s and remember the ancient practice of clunkily, manually
> C & P from the *separate* addressbook. Jz
On 2011-06-06 8:26 AM, Indi wrote:
> It forces one to log into the IMAP server manually and restore order,
> as the configuration dialog gives no way of doing that. Then, making
> sure tbird is not running, one must go into ~/.thunderbird/, find the
> files that specify IMAp and local folders, fi
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 01:22:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 12:56 on Monday 06 June 2011, Tanstaafl did
> opine thusly:
>
> > On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > >> Believe it or not you a
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> > tbird is a Moz product. Rendering stuff on screen is almost everything
> > that they do ... everything else supporting just that one thing
>
> Yes, well isn't their cluelessness regarding defaults kind of l
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:24 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> BTW, those of us with vision issues need the options for fonts to be
> obvious, otherwise testing and configuration is very painful. But I
> believe enough hours were spent testing that if I didn't find it eit
On 2011-06-06 7:22 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> It's a minor gripe, to be sure, but a well-rounded release could have
> shown a dialog to the user and asking them to select the various
> folders to use. Or even if it finds "Trash" and expected to find
> "Junk" or "Deleted Items" it could use what is
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:25AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
> Easily fixable... Tools > Options > Display > Formatting
>
Oh wait a minute, *NOW* I see!
You're not using what I tested at all -- either you're in windows or
you're using something other than thunderbird 3.
Sorry, we don't do wind
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 01:16:27PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 12:34 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
> thusly:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Believe it or not you are supposed to "make invisible" all the junk th
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:25AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
> >
> > After much googling the conclusion is many many people are desperately
> > unhappy about the fonts in tbrd and incredibly, it ain't fixable!
> > Hard-coded font sizes -- isn't that, like, retar
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:56 on Monday 06 June 2011, Tanstaafl did
opine thusly:
> On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> Believe it or not you are supposed to "make invisible" all the junk the
> >> app created.
>
> Du
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:34 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Believe it or not you are supposed to "make invisible" all the junk the
> > app created.
>
> Well, once you get some of the amazingly bone-hea
On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> Believe it or not you are supposed to "make invisible" all the junk the app
>> created.
Dunno what that means... you have to tell it where to store Drafts,
Trash, Sent messages, etc - what is so
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> Believe it or not you are supposed to "make invisible" all the junk the app
> created.
>
>
Well, once you get some of the amazingly bone-headed defaults corrected
tbird is pretty nice -- for people with eagle eyes who don't ne
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:27 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:07:24PM -0400, Indi wrote:
> > So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for
> > testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people
> > insist it doesn't do: c
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Indi wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:07:24PM -0400, Indi wrote:
>> So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for
>> testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people
>> insist it doesn't do: creates redundant Trash and Dra
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:07:24PM -0400, Indi wrote:
> So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for
> testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people
> insist it doesn't do: creates redundant Trash and Drafts folders,
> both locally and (cardinal sin) on the remote s
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