On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 03:30:50PM +0100, pk wrote
> Which is easier said than done, IMO... but on the other hand, five of
> the major tier 1's is in the good old USA so if you take those down you
> still have five more tier 1's, which may or may not comply with an
> american request... and if the
On Feb 19, 2012 1:27 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>
> And every time that's successful, it's because some idiot admin wasn't
filtering their incoming BGP traffic properly. Ditto the network in Florida
which acted as a black hole for the entire Internet in the late 90s.
>
> Proper training and filteri
On Feb 19, 2012 1:15 AM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>
> (Sorry for the top-post...I'm mobile atm.)
>
> My understanding is that core network operators filter ASs for which they
don't have a contract for transit. I.e, if I were to get my own PI space,
I'd have to pay tier 1 networks (or pay someone to ri
And every time that's successful, it's because some idiot admin wasn't
filtering their incoming BGP traffic properly. Ditto the network in Florida
which acted as a black hole for the entire Internet in the late 90s.
Proper training and filtering helps prevent these kinds of issues. It's
happened,
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 21:36, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:00:00 -0600
> Dale wrote:
>
>> > And no, the intartubes will NOT be switched off.
>> >
>>
>> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
>> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be re
(Sorry for the top-post...I'm mobile atm.)
My understanding is that core network operators filter ASs for which they
don't have a contract for transit. I.e, if I were to get my own PI space,
I'd have to pay tier 1 networks (or pay someone to ride on *their*
contract) for a contract to have packets
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 23:18, Michael Mol wrote:
>
>8 snippage
>
> And it's not so easy to take the Internet down with injected BGP
> routes any more, either; most network operators apply some sort of
> filtering.
>
Yes, there *are* filters against injecting BGP from non-trusted sources.
Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:27 -0600
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
>>
>> I don't really think they can unless
On 2/18/2012 5:26 AM, Dale wrote:
Howdy,
I ran across this and though it was a joke. Did a news search and sure
enough, it is reported in lots of places. Random linky:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102856/Will-FBI-shut-Internet-March-8-virus-concerns.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Is ther
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:39:27 schrieb Dale:
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> > Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
>> >> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
>> >> computers.
Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:39:27 schrieb Dale:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
> >> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
> >> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be redundant right?
> >> If th
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:27 -0600
>> Dale wrote:
>>
>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
>>>
>
> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all th
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:27 -0600
> Dale wrote:
>
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
>>
I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
computers. After all, the internet is supposed t
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:27 -0600
Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
>
> >>
> >> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
> >> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be redundant
> >> right? I
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:18:10 -0600
Dale wrote:
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> > Indeed. In fact, easier than that.
> >
> > Just inject false BGP routes into one of the backbone level
> > routers, and see how wide the Internet becomes 'impacted'. Do it to
> > maybe 5 or 6 other routers that watch gua
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:00:00 -0600
Dale wrote:
> > And no, the intartubes will NOT be switched off.
> >
>
> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be redundant right?
> If there is a few computers still running
On 2012-02-18 13:24, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> basically, yes. Take down the core routers and backbones and everything falls
> apart.
Which is easier said than done, IMO... but on the other hand, five of
the major tier 1's is in the good old USA so if you take those down you
still have five
On Feb 18, 2012 8:21 PM, "Dale" wrote:
>
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> > Indeed. In fact, easier than that.
> >
> > Just inject false BGP routes into one of the backbone level routers, and
> > see how wide the Internet becomes 'impacted'. Do it to maybe 5 or 6
> > other routers that watch guard over t
Pandu Poluan wrote:
> Indeed. In fact, easier than that.
>
> Just inject false BGP routes into one of the backbone level routers, and
> see how wide the Internet becomes 'impacted'. Do it to maybe 5 or 6
> other routers that watch guard over the transatlantic and transpacific
> routes, and watch
On Feb 18, 2012 7:27 PM, "Volker Armin Hemmann"
wrote:
>
> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
> > Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:02 -0600
> > >
> > > Dale wrote:
> > >> Howdy,
> > >>
> > >> I ran across this and though it was a joke. Did a news search and
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
>>
>> I don't really think they can unless they just cut power to all the
>> computers. After all, the internet is supposed to be redundant right?
>> If there is a few computers still running that have a connection
Am Samstag, 18. Februar 2012, 06:00:00 schrieb Dale:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:02 -0600
> >
> > Dale wrote:
> >> Howdy,
> >>
> >> I ran across this and though it was a joke. Did a news search and
> >> sure enough, it is reported in lots of places. Random linky:
> >>
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:02 -0600
> Dale wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I ran across this and though it was a joke. Did a news search and
>> sure enough, it is reported in lots of places. Random linky:
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102856/Will-FBI-shut-Interne
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:02 -0600
Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I ran across this and though it was a joke. Did a news search and
> sure enough, it is reported in lots of places. Random linky:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102856/Will-FBI-shut-Internet-March-8-virus-concerns.html?i
Howdy,
I ran across this and though it was a joke. Did a news search and sure
enough, it is reported in lots of places. Random linky:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102856/Will-FBI-shut-Internet-March-8-virus-concerns.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Is there any truth to this mess? My bigger
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