Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-15 Thread Denis
I read AnandTech. And many other reviews by now. But since I've been out of hardware buying venture for a long time, I figured I'd read up on the specs directly from the manufacturers' websites first and then the reviews. I can't say I am handy with different relationships between front size bus

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-15 Thread Dave Nebinger
I was under the impression that the Opterons didn't have the same type of a NorthBridge bottleneck that Intel processors experience and were thus quite a bit more efficient in the way they integrate with RAM and themselves!... In fact, from reading the numbers posted on the AMD website comparing

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-15 Thread Bob Sanders
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:27:08 -0400 - - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is the first time I heard of intel compilers and I am using dual > 3.2GHz irwindales with 1 mb cache each and 2 GB of ram. Is there any > advantage > to using these compilers over GCC? What performance gain can I expect

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-15 Thread - -
After a google search, it seems like the ICC compiler compiles faster and runs certain programs better. Gentoo has a package, can anyone say if the ICC compiler has any issues compiling common packages such as the gentoo base packages, gnome, or kde?

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-15 Thread - -
On 9/12/05, Bob Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     Intel's compiler fairly cheap - approx. $600.  Free for non-commericalhome use. This is the first time I heard of intel compilers and I am using dual 3.2 GHz irwindales with 1 mb cache each and 2 GB of ram. Is there

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-15 Thread A. Khattri
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Denis wrote: > So basically... I would pretty much be buying an already outdated > technology if I were to purchase a dual Xeon or a dual Opteron system > now? One could say that about any technology you buy ;-) > I guess the other advantage is that a good dual Xeon system

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-14 Thread Bob Sanders
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:47:11 -0500 Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess the other advantage is that a good dual Xeon system with 4GB > RAM will run me around $3000, whereas a dual Opteron (with dual core) > system with 4GB RAM will run me more like $4300. If the Opterons are > currently at

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread Denis
Ok, I felt compelled to find more info on the issue that Bob raised with the memory bandwidth limitation on the Opterons, and here is an excerpt from an article on anandtech.com on this issue: "The one limitation that both AMD and Intel have is bandwidth. In order to maintain compatibility with p

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread Denis
Bob, Thanks for that detailed write-up. I don't pretend to have any understanding of the architecture of the new dual-core Opterons, but I did want to clarify a couple things... I was under the impression that the Opterons didn't have the same type of a NorthBridge bottleneck that Intel process

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread Bob Sanders
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:40:24 -0500 Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With my need for parallel execution of several single-thread Monte > Carlo and Finite Element tasks, what would be the pros and cons in > considering the Xeons and Opterons? > i Xeons - massive memory bandwidth. Really can't

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread Denis
I was leaning toward the Opterons myself. While we're on the topic of hardware, has anyone here used Tyan S2895 Thunder K8WE? I understand it's an NVIDIA-based high-end board that supports dual Opterons. I've always liked Tyan's products, as well as NVIDIA's, so I would be happy with such a choi

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread John Jolet
On Monday 12 September 2005 15:40, Denis wrote: > Folks, > > I am currently running Gentoo on a dual-processor machine that has 2 > Intel Xeons with hyperthreading on a Tyan board, with 2GB of RDRAM. > Some 3 years ago when I bought this machine, it was a marvel, and it > still is a solid computati

Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 12 September 2005 21:40, Denis wrote: > With my need for parallel execution of several single-thread Monte > Carlo and Finite Element tasks, what would be the pros and cons in > considering the Xeons and Opterons? Opterons everytime. Under certain circumstances HT can make the CPU *slowe

[gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo

2005-09-12 Thread Denis
Folks, I am currently running Gentoo on a dual-processor machine that has 2 Intel Xeons with hyperthreading on a Tyan board, with 2GB of RDRAM. Some 3 years ago when I bought this machine, it was a marvel, and it still is a solid computational workhorse for me, doing things like Monte Carlo and F