Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-07 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 06.01.2014 17:31, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: The Vertex3 seems to be way faster. the vertex3 is 60GB while the older Intel is 80GB ... not so good ... But I made some small progress in booting the thinkpad with BFQ-enabled kernel. Somehow the encrypted swap seems to have stopped things.

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-06 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
I consider swapping SSDs ... the Vertex3 from my desktop (replaced by the new Samsung 840 EVO) could replace the even older Intel SSD. I assume that the Vertex3 would be faster than the Intel ... (at least one generation younger). How to migrate? dd isn't recommended, right? rsync the

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-06 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:31:55 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: How to migrate? dd isn't recommended, right? rsync the partitions one by one? But one of them is encrypted ... Set up a new encrypted partition and rsync the contents. -- Neil Bothwick Bagpipe for free: Stuff cat under arm.

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-06 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 06.01.2014 16:40, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:31:55 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: How to migrate? dd isn't recommended, right? rsync the partitions one by one? But one of them is encrypted ... Set up a new encrypted partition and rsync the contents. Yep.

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-06 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 06.01.2014 17:16, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 06.01.2014 16:40, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 16:31:55 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: How to migrate? dd isn't recommended, right? rsync the partitions one by one? But one of them is encrypted ... Set up a new

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-05 Thread Graham Murray
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: that's expected, BFQ isn't in mainline Nor is it in Gentoo hardened-sources.

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-05 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 23:14, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: currently fiddling with my thinkpad hanging at boot ... so still no BFQ for that laptop ... :-( I don't get it. My thinkpad hangs repeatedly a booting and I don't really know how to spot the reason. As you may remember I run systemd as

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-04 Thread Daniel Troeder
Am 03.01.2014 15:07, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 03/01/2014 15:13, William Kenworthy wrote: On 03/01/14 15:34, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 03/01/2014 09:25, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: BFQ only for the

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread William Kenworthy
On 03/01/14 15:34, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 03/01/2014 09:25, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: BFQ only for the SSDs ? Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal with SSDs while keeping everything responsive

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 15:13, William Kenworthy wrote: On 03/01/14 15:34, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 03/01/2014 09:25, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: BFQ only for the SSDs ? Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 15:07, schrieb Alan McKinnon: hmm, is BFQ good for VM's too? I am currently using noops (storage is ceph) and was going to experiment but have not had the time yet. I have no idea, but I'd like to find out. Instinct tells me one of the host or guest should be NOOP so that

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 15:07, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I'd like to see the results of any benchmarks you do with BFQ on VMs If we run BFQ on the host (as it runs SSDs and HDDs and we want it to be snappy) this would maybe mean that in the VMs we need Noop ? In the IBM-pdf Best practices for KVM they tell

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 23:52, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 15:07, schrieb Alan McKinnon: I'd like to see the results of any benchmarks you do with BFQ on VMs If we run BFQ on the host (as it runs SSDs and HDDs and we want it to be snappy) this would maybe mean that in the VMs we need

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 22:59, schrieb Alan McKinnon: that's expected, BFQ isn't in mainline (being lazy): why, btw ?

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/01/2014 00:01, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 22:59, schrieb Alan McKinnon: that's expected, BFQ isn't in mainline (being lazy): why, btw ? dunno really, it's just not there yet. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-03 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 23:12, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 04/01/2014 00:01, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 22:59, schrieb Alan McKinnon: that's expected, BFQ isn't in mainline (being lazy): why, btw ? dunno really, it's just not there yet. ;-) currently fiddling with my thinkpad

[gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
I am running both my desktop and laptop on SSDs for years now. I think I got the basic things right: proper alignment of partitions, scheduler, TRIM (fstrim) ... you know. Today I received my new and shiny Samsung 840 EVO and migrated my desktop to it (writing this very email running Gentoo on

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 00:14, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am running both my desktop and laptop on SSDs for years now. I think I got the basic things right: proper alignment of partitions, scheduler, TRIM (fstrim) ... you know. Today I received my new and shiny Samsung 840 EVO and migrated my

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 02.01.2014 23:17, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Before you test other fs's, do you use BFQ? What IO scheduler do you use? for SSD(s): noop for HDD(s): cfq both triggered/set via udev-rules

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 00:23, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 02.01.2014 23:17, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Before you test other fs's, do you use BFQ? What IO scheduler do you use? for SSD(s): noop for HDD(s): cfq both triggered/set via udev-rules Give BFQ a try, set USE=experimental in

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 02.01.2014 23:39, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Give BFQ a try, set USE=experimental in *-sources to patch the source euses -sf experimental giove further info and links thanks for the hint ... edited USE-flags and re-emerging sources ... BFQ only for the SSDs ?

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Anton Shumskyi
Hi, there is a native queuing at my INTEL SSD 64GB, so i'v set noop scheduler via udev rules. And it's kind a luggish when deleting a lot files like kernel sources (at ext4,xfs,btrfs, FS makes no difference, some cheap hardware stuff)​. Will test some day another scheduler like deadline on top of

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 02.01.2014 23:59, schrieb Anton Shumskyi: And the best guide is at Arch wiki=) As always=) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives been there before ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 02.01.2014 23:39, schrieb Alan McKinnon: Give BFQ a try, set USE=experimental in *-sources to patch the source euses -sf experimental giove further info and links thanks for the hint ... edited USE-flags and re-emerging sources ...

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: BFQ only for the SSDs ? Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal with SSDs while keeping everything responsive even under load. BFQ seems a good fit for your workcase - desktop/laptop. For those,

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 09:25, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: BFQ only for the SSDs ? Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal with SSDs while keeping everything responsive even under load. BFQ seems a good fit for

Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 08:34, schrieb Alan McKinnon: BFQ for both is the recommendation. But do try it both ways to see how it performs and compare. sure, thanks. So I edit my udev-rules (and could leave them away and simply compile bfq in as default if needed).