Re: [geo] Geoengineering piece on Aspen Public Radio

2013-08-02 Thread rongretlarson
Alan: I agree that the report was balanced, if the criterion is knowledge in 2008 - the earliest date on the LLNL figure. To give ocean fertilization as the only example of CDR is not being very investigative or "balanced". I have the same complaint about the "CIA" study behind the NPR piece,

[geo] Geoengineering piece on Aspen Public Radio

2013-08-02 Thread Alan Robock
Another short piece on geoengineering, interviewing several people involved. It is quite balanced, as you would expect from Public Radio. http://aspenpublicradio.org/post/geoengineering-technological-fix-climate-change Alan Robock Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor Editor, Reviews of Ge

RE: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
Dear Michael, I agree. If we can demonstrate to a sufficient certainty that a measure is sensible and cost effective, then lack of entire certainty is not a reason for inaction - decision theory deals well with these types of things, and often climate deniers have used a lack of absolute certai

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
Hi Ken, "Can someone point me to any action that we take that has only known consequences? Doesn't every decision carry unknown consequences?" not really outside of the hypothetical, of course. The statements that naturally flow out of these questions are true, but they can't really help about

[geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Michael Hayes
I believe that Article 15 of the Rio Declaration provides the clearest thinking on this subject. *"In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities. Where there are thr

Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Ken Caldeira
Can someone point me to any action that we take that has only known consequences? Doesn't every decision carry unknown consequences? *Deciding to deploy a solar geoengineering scheme might be a little like deciding to get married -- entered into with high hopes by the parties involved while the o

RE: [geo] Fwd: CoLab Talk: Voting is Now Open!

2013-08-02 Thread markcapron
Only the Geoengineering category has an elaborate comment by the judges on Geoengineering in general and the 3 finalists.  Too big to copy here at http://climatecolab.org/resources/-/wiki/Main/Comments+by+Expert+Reviewers+on+the+Geoengineering+Proposals.   Mark Mark E. Capron, PEVentura, Californi

RE: [geo] Fwd: CoLab Talk: Voting is Now Open!

2013-08-02 Thread markcapron
We (Ocean Foresters) pulled out of the geoengineering category for fear of negative publicity if we won in that category.  However, we would appreciate comments (or votes) from members of this forum as we hope to be the "almost as fast as geoengineering" alternative to geoengineering.  Also, one of

Re: [geo] Re: China’s domestic agenda and the global politics of geoengineering

2013-08-02 Thread Greg Rau
Thanks, Tom. What this article tells me is that China, if it chooses, is in the driver's seat re SRM (and CDR?) research and implementation, unlike the US and others which seem to have difficulty even acknowledging that there is a potential need.  Greg > > From

[geo] Re: China’s domestic agenda and the global politics of geoengineering

2013-08-02 Thread Tom Levitt
With text now By Kingsley Edney and Jonathan Symons * Given the fractious nature of international climate politics, an emerging global governance framework for geoengineering could be derailed if China is not fully engaged in th

Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Fred Zimmerman
This is not to express any animus, or to quarrel with the basic point that models need to improve in accuracy, but it is absolutely bizarre that authors of a study about modelling accuracy estimate that at least 5–30 years of CMIP work are required to improve regional temperature simulations, whi

[geo] China’s domestic agenda and the global politics of geoengineering

2013-08-02 Thread Tom Levitt
An article on China's engagement with geoengineering - may be of interest http://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/6254-China-s-domestic-agenda-and-the-global-politics-of-geoengineering -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" gr

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
" not directly geoengineering" should read "not directly related to geoengineering" Simon Driscoll Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics Department of Physics University of Oxford Office: +44 (0) 1865 272930 Mobile: +44 (0) 7935314940 http:

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
And although not directly geoengineering (as such), an article came out recently that may be of interest for those looking into any kind of impacts of geoengineering related to temperature, precip, agriculture, and so on, using CMIP5 models (or even CMIP3 models): Implications of regional improv