[geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-01 Thread Simon Driscoll
And a link to the referenced paper: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-013-1761-5 "Until now, climate model intercomparison has focused primarily on annual and global averages of various quantities or on specific components, not on how well the general dynamics in the models comp

[geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Michael Hayes
I believe that Article 15 of the Rio Declaration provides the clearest thinking on this subject. *"In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities. Where there are thr

[geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-05 Thread Russell Seitz
Simon, would you agree that model grid resolution is a metric for distinguising between 'local' phenomena manifest within the model grid pixels , and 'global' phenomena manifest in the dynamics of the extended grid ? On Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:06:19 PM UTC-4, Simon Driscoll wrote: > > The

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-01 Thread Simon Driscoll
neering Subject: Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences How would you respond to the objection (which I am sure you have encountered frequently) that action with some degree of error is preferable to the likely consequences of inaction? --- Fred Zimmerman Geoengineering

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
2013 19:58 To: Fred Zimmerman; geoengineering Subject: RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Hi Fred, "action with some degree of error is preferable to the likely consequences of inaction" as a general rule to apply everywhere, of course, that statement does not ho

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
imon Driscoll [drisc...@atm.ox.ac.uk] Sent: 01 August 2013 19:58 To: Fred Zimmerman; geoengineering Subject: RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Hi Fred, "action with some degree of error is preferable to the likely consequences of inaction" as a general rule

Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Fred Zimmerman
-- > *From:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com [geoengineering@googlegroups.com] > on behalf of Simon Driscoll [drisc...@atm.ox.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 01 August 2013 19:58 > *To:* Fred Zimmerman; geoengineering > *Subject:* RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries

Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Ken Caldeira
>> Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics >> Department of Physics >> University of Oxford >> >> Office: +44 (0) 1865 272930 >> Mobile: +44 (0) 7935314940 >> >> http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/contacts/people/driscoll >>--

RE: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
ira [kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu] Sent: 02 August 2013 17:25 To: geoengineerin...@gmail.com Cc: Simon Driscoll; geoengineering Subject: Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Can someone point me to any action that we take that has only known consequences? Doesn't every

RE: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-02 Thread Simon Driscoll
ering@googlegroups.com Subject: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences I believe that Article 15<http://www.gdrc.org/u-gov/precaution-7.html> of the Rio Declaration provides the clearest thinking on this subject. "In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach

Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-03 Thread David Lewis
"in the end you just have to make the right call" Kent Peacock, professor of philosophy, was invited to give a presentation at the recent AGU Chapman conference on Communicating Climate Science. Around the 11th minute he discussed engineering and ethics. He touched on what the law requires of

Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-03 Thread euggordon
ay my PhD. Gene Gordon - Original Message - From: "David Lewis" To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Cc: geoengineerin...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:54:54 PM Subject: Re: [geo] RE: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences "in the end you just have to make the r

Re: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-05 Thread euggordon
ssell Seitz" To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 5:29:47 PM Subject: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Simon, would you agree that model grid resolution is a metric for distinguising between 'local' phenomena manifest within t

RE: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-06 Thread Peter Flynn
3:30 PM *To:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Simon, would you agree that model grid resolution is a metric for distinguising between 'local' phenomena manifest within the model grid pixels , and 'global' pheno

RE: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-06 Thread Simon Driscoll
lf of Russell Seitz [russellse...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 August 2013 22:29 To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Subject: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Simon, would you agree that model grid resolution is a metric for distinguising between 'local' phenomena mani

RE: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-06 Thread Simon Driscoll
m Cc: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences Simon; you ignore the possibility of very small experiments designed to grossly limit possible negative effects. Moreover proposed very small experiments can be reviewed by others to seek out possible n

Re: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences

2013-08-06 Thread Mike MacCracken
______________ > From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [geoengineering@googlegroups.com] on > behalf of Russell Seitz [russellse...@gmail.com] > Sent: 05 August 2013 22:29 > To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com > Subject: [geo] Re: Geoengineering carries unknown consequences