RE: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-21 Thread Rau, Greg
_ From: David Keith [ke...@ucalgary.ca] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:18 PM To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Cc: Rau, Greg Subject: RE: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal Greg (Turning my attention back to this this d-list after a period of not looking at it.) We did engineering analysis on a c

Re: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-03 Thread Rau, Greg
Sure, if folks don’t mind me repeating this like a broken record. For spontaneous conversion of point source CO2: CO2 + H2O + CaCO3 ---> Ca^2+ + 2HCO3- ---> seawater alkalinity This is simply carbonate weathering conducted in a power plant’s tail pipe, similar to the reaction routinely used for S

Re: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-03 Thread Rau, Greg
Unclear how a discussion of methane and fracking got diverted to deep sea CO2 lakes, but if you are suggesting that CCS-captured CO2 be stored as pools in the deep ocean (discussed at some length in Ken’s IPCC chapter: http://www.ipcc-wg3.de/publications/special-reports/.files-images/SRCCS-Chapt

[geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-03 Thread Nathan Currier
What with Mike's mentioning the recent earthquake off of Japan, are folks on this list aware that the first real-world methane hydrate mining project, funded by the Japanese government, was set to begin about a month before the quake/tsunami, in the Nankai trough, not all that far away, and run by

Re: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-03 Thread Ken Caldeira
People have thought about liquid sealing layers before for CO2 lakes on the bottom of the ocean, and I think the problem is that nobody has come up with the right substance. It needs to be: 1. between the density of seawater and liquid CO2 which is a pretty narrow density range. 2. relatively unr

Re: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-03 Thread Andrew Lockley
royalsociety.org/events/Bakerian2011/ >From memory ocean storage was pretty safe in theory. Co2 and water dissolve together to create a mixture more dense than either. The demo was pretty cool but I'm on my phone so I can't check if the video is still up. You can pester the lecturer for a YouTub

Re: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-03 Thread Stephen Salter
Andrew The deep ocean seal I am postulating is a liquid with low miscibility with both CO2 and sea water and a density between them. It should self heal if punctured but could have quite a high viscosity. Whether or not it will work depends only on current velocities. We need to know what

Re: [geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-02 Thread Andrew Lockley
It's not that simple. This issue was covered at the royal society. If reserves are deep enough, they will be kept stable by pressure. As long as they're not perturbed and don't diffuse into anything, you should be ok. If you're relying on pressure containment, then fracking is a problem. However,

[geo] Re: Deep ocean disposal

2011-06-02 Thread Josh Horton
Michael writes in an earlier email that "These are the same oil fields that are being proposed for massive CO2 geological storage. Fracking is rapidly taking that option off the table." I know a little about CCS but not much about fracking - if this is a zero-sum game then we've got a problem. Oi