Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-04 Thread Mike MacCracken
Green, Prof. > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 3:47 PM > To: david.app...@gmail.com; geoengineering@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering > > Not only is Alan Robock right but this discussion defies all reason. > Comparing heat without considering dam

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-02 Thread Christopher Green, Prof.
il.com<mailto:david.app...@gmail.com>; geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering Not only is Alan Robock right but this discussion defies all reason. Comparing heat without considering damage is nonsensical. Comparing the

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Jim Fleming
Dear Alan and All, Here is a video we produced at Colby on energy consumption (not global warming) using lightbulbs. The tall gentleman on the library steps is Sherry Rowland. Perhaps someone could make an array of Christmas tree lights? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPJOTX06JU Jim Fleming

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Alan Robock
Dear David, I think an array of incandescent light bulbs around the world would work much better. If you have 100 W bulbs, and want to model an imbalance at the surface of 1 W/m2, then you will need one light bulb every 100 m2, multiplied by 1 over the fraction of energy emitted by each bulb

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Hawkins, Dave
ion. But enough is enough!!! Chris Green From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Appell Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:56 PM To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com<mailto:geoengineering@go

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Christopher Green, Prof.
is enough!!! Chris Green From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Appell Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:56 PM To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering Alan, I see your point Do you (or does anyone

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread David Appell
Alan, I see your point Do you (or does anyone) have a more appropriate analogy for such large amounts of heat? The tempting thing about the "Hiro" is it's just the right amount (63 terajoules) for many global climate numbers I have sometimes used "Civ," the power production of all of

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Hawkins, Dave
ngineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robock Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:31 PM To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering Dear All, I think this is a terrible comparison to make and should not be used. I hear

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Alan Robock
Dear All, I think this is a terrible comparison to make and should not be used. I heard someone this summer who was trained by Al Gore use this and she did not distinguish between all the effects of atomic bombs and the energy equivalent of the atomic explosions. Equating nuclear war and gl

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-10-01 Thread Greg Rau
t;kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:57 AM >Subject: Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering > > > >The Cold War  and the Apollo Program were not pursued in the expectation of >profiting from software spinoffs, LED lighting,CAT scanners, cell pho

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-27 Thread Russell Seitz
anic and Planetary Physics >> Department of Physics >> University of Oxford >> >> Office: +44 (0) 1865 272930 >> Mobile: +44 (0) 7935314940 >> >> http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/contacts/people/driscoll >>-- >> *F

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-25 Thread Ronal W. Larson
that Al Gore could possibly >> be MORE opposed to these. Given that there could be chemical surprises with >> other particles, one could argue if Al Gore is opposed to something we have >> a better handle on (and at least have observed a good few times), then he >> would pr

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-25 Thread Ronal W. Larson
vestment. The personal investment is related to > career and how large is also personal. Governments seldom make financial > investments unless politics is part of the equation. > > From: "Simon Driscoll" mailto:drisc...@atm.ox.ac.uk>> > To: "Ken Caldeira" &g

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-25 Thread Simon Driscoll
[skonem...@yahoo.fr] Sent: 25 August 2013 13:15 To: geoengineering@googlegroups.com Cc: Simon Driscoll Subject: Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering Simon, I do understand that he assumes the SRM technique to be awful under the consideration of injecting sulfate aerosol in the stratosphere, but

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-25 Thread David Lewis
gt; > > Simon Driscoll > Atmospheric, Oceanic and Planetary Physics > Department of Physics > University of Oxford > > Office: +44 (0) 1865 272930 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7935314940 > > http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-25 Thread Salif KONE
.:7048, Bamako-Mali. Email:skonem...@yahoo.fr De : Ken Caldeira À : Gene Gordon Cc : Simon Driscoll ; Salif KONE ; geoengineering Envoyé le : Samedi 24 août 2013 16h46 Objet : Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering Al Gore is not opposing geoengineering

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-24 Thread Ken Caldeira
" > > *Cc: *"Salif KONE" , geoengineering@googlegroups.com > *Sent: *Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:09:59 PM > *Subject: *RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering > > > "If we take a portfolio view, the question is how l

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-24 Thread Simon Driscoll
n Driscoll Cc: Salif KONE; geoengineering@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering There is a pleasing simplicity to answering a question as if it were a binary, but I suppose if you got these people in a room and spoke with them quietly, the question could not be answered

Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-24 Thread Ken Caldeira
of Physics > University of Oxford > > Office: +44 (0) 1865 272930 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7935314940 > > http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/contacts/people/driscoll >---------- > *From:* Salif KONE [skonem...@yahoo.fr 'skonem...@yahoo.fr');>]

RE: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering

2013-08-24 Thread Simon Driscoll
4 (0) 1865 272930 Mobile: +44 (0) 7935314940 http://www2.physics.ox.ac.uk/contacts/people/driscoll From: Salif KONE [skonem...@yahoo.fr] Sent: 24 August 2013 15:19 To: Simon Driscoll; geoengineering@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [geo] Al Gore on geoengineering