Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-14 Thread Greg Rau
To quote the article's conclusion:"Negative-emission technologies are not an insurance policy, but rather an unjust and high-stakes gamble. There is a real risk they will be unable to deliver on the scale of their promise. If the emphasis on equity and risk aversion embodied in the Paris Agreeme

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-14 Thread Adam Dorr
I agree with Greg. This article's dismissal of negative emissions options as a moral hazard is very discouraging. Yes, "mitigation obstruction" is a possible consequence of serious engagement with negative emissions options. But it is certainly elitist, and possibly unethical, for environmental sci

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-14 Thread barteau
I was asked to provide comments to the media about this article. They are pasted below. I don't know what will actually appear in print. Mark Barteau Director, University of Michigan Energy Institute It is possible to accept the information and many of the assertions in the *Science *articl

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-19 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, I believe that the misconceptions about carbon negative technologies are getting so far out of hand in the media, and even in peer reviewed papers, that a strong statement needs to be made to the press (and or to a peer reviewed journal) concerning the common errors being cemented int

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-20 Thread Oliver Morton
Michael You ask: "How can producing enough biofuel to displace FFs to a large degree, or adjusting the pH of wide areas of the oceans, or moving vast amounts of sustainable marine carbon into the terrestrial space via 'Blue Biochar', or producing protein at the most efficient level, or produci

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-20 Thread Greg Rau
flight is impossible (Lord Kelvin 1895, and many others), and considering the hazard posed to buggy manufacturers)?      From: Oliver Morton To: geoengineering Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions Michael  You ask: "

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-21 Thread Ronal W. Larson
hnology, might it also be useful to encourage > exploring alternative methods, just in case something better emerges (even > considering that human flight is impossible (Lord Kelvin 1895, and many > others), and considering the hazard posed to buggy manufacturers)? > > >

Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-22 Thread Ronal W. Larson
solved at the same >> level of awareness that created them.” Given our rather dire circumstances, >> isn't it time to encourage rather than discourage thinking that does beyond >> emissions reduction, in the hope that something else might prove useful if >> not essential? By analogy, while we can plan a

RE: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-24 Thread Peter Flynn
, October 22, 2016 7:24 PM *To:* Peter Flynn *Cc:* RAU greg ; olivermor...@economist.com; Geoengineering ; Michael Hayes < voglerl...@gmail.com>; Johannes Lehmann ; Erin M Searcy < erin.sea...@inl.gov> *Subject:* Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions Peter and ccs

RE: [***SPAM***] Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions

2016-10-21 Thread Schuiling, R.D. (Olaf)
Schuiling From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Rau Sent: vrijdag 21 oktober 2016 6:56 To: olivermor...@economist.com; geoengineering Subject: [***SPAM***] Re: [geo] The trouble with negative emissions Further musings: https