Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-31 Thread Jody Garnett
Found an example of another project playing a similar game, indeed they have a nice write up explaining what this stuff is about. - https://www.qubit-toolkit.org/wiki/Contribute_code -- Jody Garnett On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 10:17 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > I will do up a proposal then,

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-31 Thread Jody Garnett
I will do up a proposal then, no sense beating around the bush. Perhaps this could of cut down some of our earlier contribution agreement madness last year :D -- Jody Garnett On Friday, 1 February 2013 at 3:02 AM, Andrea Aime wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Chris Holmes (mailto:c

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-31 Thread Andrea Aime
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Chris Holmes wrote: > I'm very concerned by this too. It sucks to not get contributions from > Google. But it's even worse as an indicator of things that may scare off > others who are similar. > > I'd be very much in favor of just using the Apache one, and moving

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Holmes
I'm very concerned by this too. It sucks to not get contributions from Google. But it's even worse as an indicator of things that may scare off others who are similar. I'd be very much in favor of just using the Apache one, and moving to it quickly. To reiterate for all, this is just for the contr

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-29 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > Folks, > > I have finally got a clear response back from our internal legal > reviewer to my request to offer refinement to the text of the GeoTools > contributor agreement. He indicated that the agreement has multiple > issues, and that i

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-29 Thread Jody Garnett
IBM expressed a concern over a *lack* of agreement previously, and over inconstant header files at the time. Both these issues have since been resolved. But it is hard to know, since often open source projects are evaluated for a specific use, and the thought of entering discussion does not occ

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks, To be clear we are talking about the contribution agreement, not licences. I believe the apache agreement was suggested but I am sure there are other possibilities if needed. I am curious if any other large organizations have expressed concerns with the current agreement. Best regards, F

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-29 Thread Michael Bedward
If the Google lawyer(s) could provide a list of some OS licences that are currently in favour for collaborative work, then there would be some context for discussion between the GeoTools PMC and the OSGeo Board. Michael On 30 January 2013 12:26, Jody Garnett wrote: > Thanks for facilitating comm

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-29 Thread Jody Garnett
Thanks for facilitating communication Frank - even for a disappointing result. Indeed this latest feedback is more harsh than the previous "scope of project not well defined". One of the reasons we have a contribution agreement is to help us reach out to larger organisations such as Google. La

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2013-01-29 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks, I have finally got a clear response back from our internal legal reviewer to my request to offer refinement to the text of the GeoTools contributor agreement. He indicated that the agreement has multiple issues, and that it couldn't be easily corrected to meet our (Google's) expectations.

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-12 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Thanks for contacting us Frank, we have not had any feedback to this > effect previously. > > I am sure we can tightening up the language in the CLA, and could issue a > new version of the document following our usual change procedure. > > Ou

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-12 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Ben Caradoc-Davies < ben.caradoc-dav...@csiro.au> wrote: > On 12/12/12 10:59, Michael Bedward wrote: > > I read their concern as being that the current wording was so open it > > was asking them to sign up to an undefined and possibly moving target. > > Probably an

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 12/12/12 10:59, Michael Bedward wrote: > I read their concern as being that the current wording was so open it > was asking them to sign up to an undefined and possibly moving target. > Probably any of "software" or "toolkit" or "framework" or "library and > utilities" etc. would be an improveme

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Michael Bedward
On 12 December 2012 12:36, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > Framework is a bit too generic in my opinion. I think we need to include the > word "software" to make it clear that we are not talking about a physical > thing, which I think, from my reading of Frank's email, is Google's concern. > I read t

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
We could even say "software" as well. Should we drop "Java"? There might be Python, Javascript, and Scala bits, and more in the future. The Java bit is descriptive, but not definitive. We could go crazy and rewrite it in another language, like a future version of Java (I think you know who I am

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Jody
Good idea. I also like our traditional 'toolkit' wording. Perhaps we should ask Frank to provide an example of a project wording google is comfortable with? (This after all an agreement which wants to be specific - rather than a project tag line) We could get all technical and discuss project

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Michael Bedward
On 12 December 2012 09:06, Jody Garnett wrote: > If we stole some of the language from here ( or here ) would it be > appropriate? Or even just "GeoTools is an open source Java library that > provides tools for geospatial data." from our website. > > The reason the scope of our project is "left op

Re: [Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Jody Garnett
Thanks for contacting us Frank, we have not had any feedback to this effect previously. I am sure we can tightening up the language in the CLA, and could issue a new version of the document following our usual change procedure. Our project is "open" allowing you to assemble a "proposal" to chan

[Geotools-devel] Contribution Agreement Clarity

2012-12-11 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Folks, I have been seeking to have Google sign a corporate CLA to cover contributions to the GeoTools projects so we could feed back a few existing improvements, and some future potential improvements. During internal review of the CLA we have encountered some concerns from our legal staff. >Fro