Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 18:22:35 -0400
From: dan...@yacg.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior
That said, I have noticed GiMP does at least remember your previous
export action which enables a person to quickly update what they are
Without actually looking at this plugins, I can say that it expects to work
on a layer and you have no layer since you paste your selection not as a
layer but a new image.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote:
I'm running Gimp 2.8.4 on Ubuntu 13.04 Linux
On 07/18/2013 11:06 PM, mrule wrote:
I would prefer the old save format and add a warning ( that is easily closed
with a keystroke or two ) if the save operation will cause loss of data. This
will result in less loss of work on average.
Hi
What you call old save is the standard now in most
Is this Querying all the plugins each time, normal?
It takes quite a while to boot as a result.
Great program otherwise.
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:06:47 +0100
Andrew Bridget andrew_brid...@btinternet.com wrote:
Most users don't need to use .xcf
So how do you save layers without using .xcf ?
Frankly, Scarlett, I dont give a damn about saving layers.
Almost all the work I do in GIMP is the quick adjustment
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 23:33:35 +0400
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
You've just been assigned a parole officer for openly criticizing the
team's decisions. He will be living with you for the next 6 months to
check whether you always export instead of saving, as
Completely useless for the vast majority who only want to quickly open a
camera-produced .jpeg, rotate, crop and rescale it, and never work on it again.
Cheers,
Ron.
So why use GIMP ?
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On 07/19/13 14:06, Andrew Bridget wrote:
Most users don't need to use .xcf
So how do you save layers without using .xcf ? and you are presuming
'Most', do the 'Few' save in .psd in Photoshop ?
You save in .png, of course, which keeps layers intact. Again, though,
that is a choice.
On 07/19/13 15:03, Andrew Bridget wrote:
Completely useless for the vast majority who only want to quickly open
a camera-produced .jpeg, rotate, crop and rescale it, and never work
on it again.
Cheers,
Ron.
So why use GIMP ?
It's free, unlike Photoshop? And has more features, unlike MS Paint
On 19/07/2013 21:11, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
You save in .png, of course, which keeps layers intact.
But of course! ;-)
How do you open a .png and show the working layers ?
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:03:45 +0100
Andrew Bridget andrew_brid...@btinternet.com wrote:
Completely useless for the vast majority who only want to quickly open a
camera-produced .jpeg, rotate, crop and rescale it, and never work on it
again.
So why use GIMP ?
Because I have been using
Because I have been using it (mainly to quickly open a camera-produced .jpeg,
rotate, crop and rescale it, and never work on it again) for over 15 years.
Because it is the only serious image manipulation prog for Linux.
Pity the recent changes have made it so much less pleasant to use; every
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
Pity the recent changes have made it so much less pleasant to
use; every time I have saved my work back to its original .jpg
and the stupid prog claims I have not saved it, I heartily curse
those responsible, and wish them to suffer
That's just it, you don't.
Anyway, is there like a way to block these sort of messages? The export vs
save ones I mean.
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Andrew Bridget andrew_brid...@btinternet.com
wrote:
On 19/07/2013 21:11, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
Anyway, is there like a way to block these sort of messages?
The export vs save ones I mean.
You could setup filters to move to the trash bin everything that comes
from this mailing list and contains the words save and export.
Or you could
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
On 07/19/13 16:48, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
That's just it, you don't.
snip
What are you talking about? Even with the new behavior, if the png is saved
with layers intact, you just open/import it and look at the layers and paths
tool to
On 07/19/13 16:10, scl wrote:
On 19.07.13 at 9:21 PM Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI:
Completely useless for the vast majority who only want to quickly open
a camera-produced .jpeg, rotate, crop and rescale it, and never work
on it again.
So, then GIMP is perhaps not the right choice for your workflow.
I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll have all the
layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the layers are merged.
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/19/13 16:48, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
On 07/19/13 17:10, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll
have all the layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the
layers are merged.
snip
That is a new and unexpected behavior. I used to save png with layers
intact. Now the merge
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
On 07/19/13 17:10, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll
have all the layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the
layers are merged.
snip
That is a new and unexpected
El 19/07/2013 23:54, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
wrote:
In fact, I think for just that reason we should remove something else
in 2.10. For example, I always thought that people need to crop
pictures properly whil taking them (that is, crop with legs). So
maybe we could
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Kokopalen wrote:
That would be ok, but, personally, what I'm tired of is the undo tool...
Why?
Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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On 07/19/2013 03:12 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
On 07/19/13 17:10, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll
have all the layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the
layers are merged.
snip
That is a new and unexpected behavior. I
On 07/19/13 17:17, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
On 07/19/13 17:10, Kasim Ahmic wrote:
I could ask you the same thing. Yes, if you SAVE the image, you'll
have all the layers intact. However, if you EXPORT the image, all the
layers are
* Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com [07-19-13 18:39]:
[...]
No, this is not an improvement. More developer snobbery, thinking they
know more than the average user. Disgusting. Unfortunately GIMP is
still the best tool for working with images, despite the developers
attempts
By saying despite the developers attempts otherwise, are you implying that
the devs are actually trying to make GIMP worse? I know that this may sound
beyond insane to a person such as yourself, but I don't think that's the case
here.
And if you're so dissatisfied with the best tool for
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Dominik Tabisz wrote:
Why photography skill? Why not draw rest of legs, hands, heads (or
whatever is photo-amputated).
Are you suggesting to actually add new features?
*shivers* What a horrible, disgusting idea! :)
Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
No, this is not an improvement. More developer snobbery, thinking they
know more than the average user. Disgusting. Unfortunately GIMP is
still the best tool for working with images, despite the developers
attempts otherwise.
You
* Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com [07-19-13 20:02]:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
No, this is not an improvement. More developer snobbery, thinking they
know more than the average user. Disgusting. Unfortunately GIMP is
still the best tool
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
No, this is not an improvement. More developer snobbery, thinking they know
more than the average user.
Actually, it's the job of developers to know a lot about things like
workflows, digital imaging and suchlike. It just so happens
Though I don't like the new and improved methods, they are what they
are and they are not going to be changed back to the old way. It is
really tiring and frustrating to have to listen to all the same stuff
over and over -- even though (and because) I agree with some of what is
said and I
What you're saying does make sense but is it really necessary? I mean is it
really THAT difficult to get accustomed to the new way of working? It's not
even that big of a change, IMO. Just a different option to click really.
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Jay Smith
Hi,
It may be just me b ut I honestly cannot see what all the fuss is about. Things
used to work one way now they work another - a few minutes for muscle memory
and the new way is instinct without thought so what is the problem. For years
we put needles in grooves on flat vinyl, now we just
On 07/19/13 19:13, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
No, this is not an improvement. More developer snobbery, thinking they know
more than the average user.
Actually, it's the job of developers to know a lot about things like
workflows,
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
In my experience any attempt to teach users good practices will be met
by a few snobbery accusations. Today it's you who issues them.
Tomorrow it will be someone else.
It's not your job to teach us anything.
Oh it is :) No matter
I hurriedly photographed the text in a greeting card and have uneven lighting
and underexposure that I'd like to correct. Please see attachment, in which I've
increased the brightness and contrast and then desaturated. This helps but it
needs lots more!
I've looked at tutorials on gradient
On 07/19/2013 06:03 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
It's not your job to teach us anything.
Very true. However, it is also not a developer's job to respond to every whim of
every user. This is simply not possible.
When a specificworkflow structure proves unwieldy for reasons not necessarily
On 07/19/13 20:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
In my experience any attempt to teach users good practices will be met
by a few snobbery accusations. Today it's you who issues them.
Tomorrow it will be someone else.
It's not your job
dear GIMP developers,
thank you.
And again, thank you.
And thank you again for making GIMP free.
Do you know that the word 'free' has its origin in the word 'love'?
Our parish office computer was stolen, with it the resident software,
including photoshop.
A friend recommended GIMP.
Slowly, I am
Considering that they put a lot of time and effort into GIMP 2.8 and that this
issue has been being brought up for over a year now, I don't think they
quickly rejected the idea of a toggle.
There are only two things you can do at this point;
1. Stop using GIMP
2. Get used to the new workflow
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
It's not your job to teach us anything.
Oh it is :) No matter how much you personally resist. You might as
well tell us to stop producing the user manual -- after all, if we are
not allowed to teach you, then let's be consistent
On 07/19/13 22:25, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
snip
Everyone works differently. The old way of save/save as worked just fine.
There was NOTHING wrong with it.
There was nothing wrong with it _for you_. You cannot forbid other
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:21 AM, susan bassett wrote:
dear GIMP developers,
thank you.
And again, thank you.
And thank you again for making GIMP free.
Do you know that the word 'free' has its origin in the word 'love'?
Our parish office computer was stolen, with it the resident software,
Hi,
If you prefer video to books then have a look at the excellent tutorials on
meetthegimp.org
HTH
Francesco
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On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
Everyone works differently. The old way of save/save as worked just fine.
There was NOTHING wrong with it.
There was nothing wrong with it _for you_. You cannot forbid other
opinions on the matter to exist.
That is essentially
You know, we probably could've saved so much hate and fighting had that link
been shared earlier lol
Oh well. This debate was somewhat funny to read :P
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On Jul 20, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Bob Long b...@oblong.com.au wrote:
Kasim Ahmic wrote,
Considering that they put a lot of
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