Pam said:
<<>>
Just reading this thread has brought a lump to the throat (hope it's not
mumps)... Badger's Parting Gifts, Daddy, my Daddy, The Silver Sword, the dog
being shot in I Am David, they're all guaranteed to set me off. I'm afraid my
classes had to get used to it. The worst time for
" Let alone the "Daddy, my Daddy" scene in The Railway Children. Or the last
page of I
Am David..."
Yes, me too. The Railway Children is probably the one which soaks most of
my handkerchiefs. The end of The Last Battle also makes me weep, and
Nicola finding Giles and Peter at the end of Run
The incredible journey is the one that does for me! I couldn't
contemplate trying to read it aloud!!
PatW
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Me:
The Snow Goose always does it for me - especially reading aloud. Not
much else though.
Sue N
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Last page of Watership Down (Hazel dies).
Goodbye Mog, which I will not even buy because it upsets me so much.
A book I used to read to my kids when small which I KNEW was cheap
sentiment but which got me every time - I love you forever. About how a
mother looks after her son and then the roles a
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>I don't think it's condescending. I don;t think anyone has ever in her
>life treated Karen as a fluffy little thing - she's always been The Eldest
>and expected to be sensible, seen at school and at home as Intelekshul so
>she OBVI
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> I take Sally's point about the dates of the two writers and also that
> Trease tackled a broader range of subjects in
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>I hate the Tennis Shoes parents so much that I can't even think of
>rereading the book
But I think Streatfeild wants us to loathe them, and to show Nicky as
unappreciated by her fundamentally mediocre family, though at other
times
Expendable parents
While none of Haverfield's young characters die, wiping out one or both
parents is a handy plot device creating a change in circumstances and
often sending the heroine to school in the first place. In The Girl from
the Bush, the entire plot rests on Hilary Walford's lack of pa
In the past 2 weeks I have read 15 books by E L Haverfield and am now
imbued with a sense of noble suffering, stoical selflessness and slight
nausea. In view of the length of this, you should be relieved I didn't
get hold of her "around 30 other novels" according to The Book and have
restricted
Nursing, flower-arranging and the importance of Bovril
Nursing skills are an important character trait in determining whether a
girl is a good sort, one of the ways in which Haverfield uses injury as
a means of bringing two girls together as friends.
In The Discovery of Kate, Dilys StOswald, iso
Debra asked:
<<>>
Bastity chelt, nonny nonny, bastity chelt, nonny nonny... Yep, I think this is
by Jake Thackery, I used to have it on tape but I don't know where to get it on
CD and a quick google hasn't been much use. Determined googling would probably
yield more results. I don't think it'
I am another one who howls at the sad bits of books - kids' books, adult
novels, it doesn't matter what. I'm with Di, the bit when Jo thinks Jack
has dies gets me every time. Also Beth's death in Little Women, the bit in
Queen of the Abbey Girls where Jen talks about the dream she had about her
f
I will add to those who have already mentioned the end of The Railway
Children and The Incredible Journey, I have tears in my eyes at the thought of
them.
A terrible, terrible book for making me cry is The Velveteen Rabbit,
shockingly sad.
I expect most of GO will laugh at me for this (but
IN the unlikely event that any of you want to read Dauntless Patty by Haverfield I have a copy on my current sales list; email me off-list for further details
Barbara
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"but then AF is saying that marital happiness is
contingent on perpetual separation. AF wasn't married herself; perhaps
she cast a cold eye on the rest of us."
Well, indeed. I put about as much faith in a lifelong spinster's ideas
about marriage as I do in EBD's about childrearing. You really do
"The Velveteen Rabbit" always does it for me - I don't think I've ever
read it without resorting to tissues.
Cheers
Cath
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I am once again trying to have a clearout!
So if anyone is interested I have a Nice copy of
Margery Fisher's intent Upon Reading for Sale. Its a
hardback with a very good dustwrapper. Will sell for
what I paid which is £10 plus postage. Alternatively
make me an offer.
I am in the UK but will po
(Does anyone know what a cup of Benger is?)
Benger's food was (still available??) invalid food - powder mixed with
hot milk to make what could be described as a thick milky drink or
rather thin porridge. It was very easily digestible - I think it was
given to babies as well as invalids. Don't kn
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(Does anyone know what a cup of Benger is?)
Benger's food was (still available??) invalid food - powder mixed with
hot milk to make what could be described as a thick milky drink or
rather thin porridge. It was very easily dig
Auntie's death and last letter to Jacynth in "Gay from China", then the arrival
of the photo from Ruth Lambert.
Also Jo thinking Jack is drowned in "Highland Twins", then his return home.
Beth's death in "Little Women", and John Brooke's in "Little Men" (I think
that's where it comes).
A
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I too remember Benger's. I think the modern equivalent (if it's still
around!) is Complan. Neither of the smelt particularly appetising and
tasted worse!
Christine
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Ellen wrote:
Well, my Mrs Beeton (1860) says of the monthly nurse (who attends the
mother during the lying-in period): "Snuff-taking and spirit-drinking
must not be included in her habits; but these are happily much less
frequent than they were in former days." Plainly there were enough of the
pr
That one gets me every time too, as does the scene in Highland Twins, where Jo gets the telegram about Jack, and also the bit where Fiona 'sees' Jack. (even though the whole second sight storyline seems a bit farfetched, Jo's relief is tangible in that scene.)
Another book that always gets m
End of House at Pooh Corner
End of Railway Children
Kipling -Centurion's song
andnot sure I can drag it into GO,but has anyone else read 'Little Boy
lost' by Marghanita Laski: Child goes missing in war in France,father finds
child in orphanage who might be his son, decides he isn't but he will
Any suggestions for next weekend please?
Marguerite
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Glad to know so many other people get tearful over sad parts of books! I'm
another one who gets set off by Beth's death in Good Wives, also Auntie's
last letter to Jacynth in Gay Lambert at the CS (never seen the hb yet, so
don't know if it's even more tear-inducing there!) But the one that real
Recently I've found myself with tears in my eyes when reading about Judy
dying in Seven Little Australians (more when Meg was reciting Abide with
me), and at a truly heart-rending picture book called Blue Rabbit, which
I bought recently for my godson. I find that as I'm getting older,
things in boo
Probably the best assessment of our new, bipartisan kind of pResident came from
England. Children's fantasy writer Phillip Pullman, author of the trilogy "His
Dark Materials," said that Bush would make a perfect Kids' Fantasy Villain.
"He would fit right in. Bush has this baying certainty and has
This is absolute garbage. This kind of hysterical demonization of anyone
who doesn't march in lockstep with the liberal viewpoint is exactly the
reason the liberals lost the election.
At 10:45 AM 11/8/2004, Deborah A. Fleming wrote:
Probably the best assessment of our new, bipartisan kind of pR
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> This is absolute garbage. This kind of hysterical demoniza
i quite agree. its ironic how illiberal many liberals are - you're only
allowed your right to your opinion if it agrees with their viewpoint,
otherwise you are condemned as a bigoted rightwing fundmentalist. look at
how the new EU commission was made back down on nominating a man who didn't
agree w
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>Any suggestions for next weekend please?
>Marguerite
There are two or three in Margaret's Buildings (or it may be St Margaret,
can't remember). Despite the name, it is actually a street, not just a
building, but it is a pedestrian zone. It
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Subject: Re: [GO] GO: Interesting Phillip Pullman quote re: Bu$h
> i quite agree. its ir
Liberals aren't the ones who refused access to Bu$h campaign rallies to anyone
who might express an opposing view. Liberals did not pen protesters up far
away from where the President of the United States, who is supposed to be
representing us all, was speaking, on numerous occasions.
America, ac
> 'Students are particularly vulnerable. Many 18 to 22-year-olds were not
> properly immunised as children because they were too young for the triple
> vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) and did not properly take the
> double dose of the individual vaccines.
>
> During the early 1990
FOR SALE: UK & International: Jane Shaw
Three Susan hardbacks, Childrens Press, by Jane Shaw.
Susan interferes, 1968: one pound
Susan rushes in, no date: one pound
Susans helping hand, no date, with dustwrapper: one
pound fifty
If you feel prices are too high, let me know and make
me an of
FOR SALE: UK & International: M E Allan
Friends at Pine Street, ex-lib, 1984, protected d/w:
two pounds
An island in a green sea, 1974 reprint, ex-school lib
but very clean: three pounds fifty
If you feel prices are too high, let me know and make
me an offer. All prices are before postage; ple
FOR SALE: UK & International: misc
Mary Gervaise: Biddy makes her mark. ?1956, Nelson:
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Constance M White: Ballet School Mystery. 1959
Hutchinson, stained boards and some page edges so: one
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Angela Brazil: Princess of the School. No date,
Blackie, d/w fair to good: three po
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J M Barrie: Dear Brutus 1931 Hodder & Stoughton
mentioned in the DRINA books: three pounds fifty
A L O E: Crown of Success, no date, Nelson, decorated
boards mentioned in the Chalet School books when
Bride uses it as basis for one of the Sales of Work
Adeline wrote:
>varicelle (itchy spots all over) as well as
> rubella at various stages.
That's Chickenpox here. I'm 39, and I've had most of them, though not
Measles - (nor things like diptheria of course). I have a vague idea
that I had a jab against measles - could I have done?
I've had rubel
FOR SALE: UK & International: Nancy Drew
Three Nancy Drew hardbacks, Collins, by Carolyn Keene.
No 2 Mystery of the 99 Steps, 1971: one pound fifty
No 3 Mystery at the Ski Jump, 1971: one pound fifty
No 22 Scarlet Slipper Mystery, 1972: one pound fifty
If you feel prices are too high, let me
Auntie's death and last letter to Jacynth in "Gay from China", then the
arrival
of the photo from Ruth Lambert.
Also Jo thinking Jack is drowned in "Highland Twins", then his return
home.
Beth's death in "Little Women", and John Brooke's in "Little Men" (I think
that's where it comes).
Anna Cam
I was vaccinated against smallpox [since eradicated]; polio; diphtheria;
whooping-cough and tetanus as a baby/toddler in the 1960s. I had a single
measles jab in 1968 (I may have got it before the majority, as I'd recently
recovered from non-resolving pneumonia, and it was seen as undesirable
tha
I've cleared another shelf...I know some people and or their children
collect these. I have no idea where I acquired them but if anyone is
interest these are all ex library so reading copies only. 75p each plus
post.
Babysitters Mystery 30 Kristy and the Mystery Train
BabySitters Mystery 19 Kristy
Adeline asked: So when did vaccination against these illnesses start? I am
27 and was only
ever vaccined against Polio, Diphteria, Tetanos and TB.
This is very weird for me, I'm in the US & I got the MMR vaccine as a child
(not sure if it was combined, or separate measles, mumps, rubella). When
I appeal to the list as its collective knowledge has been extremely helpful
in the past...
Does anyone know an online source of the sort of picture that used to be
used in O level languages exams in the aural? An incredibly busy picture
with lots going on and part of the test was to describe it?
Nicky wrote:
>Janice, are you sure you aren't me ?
Positive
(otherwise I'd know all the answers to the FALLQ )
Janice Brown
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I recently read Private Peaceful by Michael Morpurgo - if you read it, keep
some tissues handy...
Highland Twins also makes me cry if I am in the right or perhaps wrong mood
and A Summer to die by Lois Lowry.
Caroline Pinnington
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Jane wrote:
>I recently found, after years of searching, The Ten Pound Pony, by Veronica
>Westlake, which ends with a huge family reunion (not quite "Daddy, my
Daddy"
>but getting on for). Had just reached this bit and was standing there
>sniffling, book in hand when in walked the electrician.
I'
I have just started teacher training and had to have a vaccination for
Meningitis C as a few years ago there were a few outbreaks among students.
(I am a "mature" student)
Varicelle is chicken pox.
Caroline Pinnington
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>I expect most of GO will laugh at me for this (but I don't mind because it
>will cheer you all up)
>the Part Of A Film Guaranteed To Make Susan Cry is the bit in the Sound Of
>Music when Captain Von Trapp is singing Eidelweiss
Caroline asked:
<<>>
This is of no help, but you've really sent me spinning off down memory lane.
Tiens, Jean et Colette at the shops *again*. Why were they always buying 'un
peu de persil'? With of course the ever-present robber in the background, up to
no good. I am resolved never to buy pa
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>This is absolute garbage. This kind of hysterical demonization of anyone
>who doesn't march in lockstep with the liberal viewpoint is exactly the
>reason the liberals lost the election.
But this is always Pullman's public person
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>1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour,
>ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief,
>political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority,
>property, birth, di
At 12:09 PM 11/8/2004, Deborah A. Fleming wrote:
Liberals aren't the ones who refused access to Bu$h campaign rallies to anyone
who might express an opposing view. Liberals did not pen protesters up far
away from where the President of the United States, who is supposed to be
representing us all,
Books that make me cry the list is long...
When Mrs Orange dies in Janie of La Rochelle - I have no idea why.
Goodbye Mog - devastates me I had tears pouring down my face when I read it
in Waterstones at oxford deeply embarrassing.
The empty chair in Granpa - ditto. An education lecturer read th
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> > Also, on a point of accuracy, he didn't say single mothers were bad
> mothers. He was using the idea of a single mother and a s
I understand that some right-wingers feel that there are attempts by
Pullman and others on the left to demonize them.
Similarly, some liberals and non-Christians feel that there are
attempts by some right-wingers to demonize them [I don't mean on
the list, but in general].
I'm not Evil Acting Hea
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This is of no help, but you've really sent me spinning off down memory
lane. Tiens, Jean et Colette at the shops *again*. Why were they always
buying 'un peu de persil'? With of course the ever-present robber in
the ba
Not exactly GO, but there is one movie that makes me weep so much that I
actually cannot watch the ending. It's "From Hell" and the end, where
poor Fred dies in the opium den and Sgt Godley puts the coins on his
eyes is guaranteed to make me just flood the place with tears.
(Needless to say, that'
Caroline wrote:
and A Summer to die by Lois Lowry.
Yes, I had forgotten all about this one ((having read it whilst at American
International school aged about 10). I hadn't known it was published in the
UK. Re-reading it an adult, it still struck me as rather beautifully
written, although very m
I wondered why my inbox was so full - it only needs a political debate
to get things moving. Imagine how busy a list dedicated to politics
might be.
I wanted to add my thanks to those posting papers. It's a welcome
change to have a book discussion with a different format and the papers
must
> Beth's death in "Little Women", and John Brooke's in "Little Men" (I
think> that's where it comes).
As a matter of interest, I first had an edition of Little Men with this
chapter cut. I think I bought two more editions before I got what seemed to be a
'complete' text . There were other pie
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Marguerite [feeling more random than usual]
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On 8 Nov 2004 at 19:56, Shereen Benjamin wrote:
> This is of no help, but you've really sent me spinning off down memory lane.
> Tiens, Jean et Colette at the shops *again*. Why were they always buying 'un
> peu de persil'? With of course the ever-present robber in the background, up
> to no good.
I understand that some right-wingers feel that there are attempts by
Pullman and others on the left to demonize them.
Similarly, some liberals and non-Christians feel that there are
attempts by some right-wingers to demonize them>
I know this is OT, but I'm curious. When I lived in Britain and was
Good grief, Eleanor, maybe you should calm down a bit before replying
here.
What bothers me about your comments -- besides the extreme tone of voice
quite inappropriate to a reasoned discussion -- is your conflation of
terms.
In the U.S., you have Republicans and Democrats. There are no "liberals
Wow, Eleanor! Since you have it all figured out, why the hysteria?
All of that vitriole from you, much of it fact-free, is unnecessary, and maybe
even a little scary. I am sure it says much more to non-Americans about the
current state of our society in this country than it does about anything
It must be that 59 million Americans are
stupid, bigoted, benighted fools who just won't LISTEN!>
Well ... When John Howard (the Australian Prime Minister) was returned here
a month or so ago with an increased majority, I looked at the election
result and at the television programs that top the r
Liz wrote:
Yet here in Australia and obviously in America, it seems that Christians
are
right-wing. Why is this?
==> Because this is the way in which the media and political parties
portray the generic "Christian". You'll notice that the Australian
churches don't get mentioned so much when
Thanks so much to those who offered suggestions for my problem receiving
mail. I was going to ph. the ISP this morning but went online to check and
of course, low and behold, after fussing so much last night, it was fine.
And there were 38 messages so I was right to be thinking no messages was
str
I'm not sure what she died of, but I read in the Guardian at the
weekend that she was only 28 when she died.
Natasha wrote:
> And didn't Mrs Beeton die herself a few days after giving birth from
> post-puertal fever caused by the doctor's unwashed hands?
>
> Natasha
>
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Someone mentioned Incredible Journey - that's a happy ending yet it finishes
me off just thinking about it, and reading it to the kids was a *big*
mistake!
But have any of you read Jock of the Bushveld by Percy Fitzpatrick? Famous
old story about a Staffie type hunting dog belonging to a wagoneer
Combination of peritonitis and puerperal fever (I assume this would be
quite dangerous even now). BTW she acquired her housekeeping skills as
the eldest of her mother's 14 children (to which her stepfather added
another 4 from a previous marriage). So it's hardly surprising she
married and left ho
Heather wrote:
>>The empty chair in Granpa - ditto. An education lecturer read this with
slide illustrations and had about 50 PGCE students in tears.<<
Oh yes, I was just about to cite John Burningham's "Granpa" myself. I can't
read it aloud to a class, it would upset me far too much. Only saw
Sorry - misread my source. Mrs B's mother had 4 children by her first
marriage (Isabella was the eldest and her father died when she was
four), then 13 by her second marriage. He second husband already had 4
making a grand total of 21 ! No idea whether any were twins or triplets.
Nicky
- Origi
I agree totally about Incredible Journey, Masha, Railway Children, Rilla,
etc: but the one which did for me to such an extent that I can't bear to
re-read it is Dorothy Dunnett's 'Pawn in Frankincense' - for those of you who
know
it, I only need to say 'Chess game'.
Not GO, but a lot of GO
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And those picture stories you had to write in 300 words or whatever it
was. I had a friend who used to make them shout "help, help, help, help"
for a paragraph or two, which, on topic, is like Anna's brother
At 04:04 PM 11/8/2004, Deborah A. Fleming wrote:
Wow, Eleanor! Since you have it all figured out, why the hysteria?
You can't refute anything I said, so instead you decide it's hysteria. You
could at least not steal the word I used in the first place.
All of that vitriole from you, much of it fa
You certainly can develop immunity. When I was a very young child I spent
some time in what was then the Brompton Chest Hospital. I didn't have TB
but ever after was a reactor to the test and have never had to have the jab.
Similarly, when I was pregnant I had a test for rubella (there was no
va
I've never been able to be quite as sad at Judy's death since I read what
Turner wrote
in her diary about the scene...something like "Today killed Judy to slow music"
(sorry,
I don't bring all my books to work so can't check exact quote).
Di
> Anderson, EL (Emma) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Bon soir,
I'm in the same boat as the rest of you, as all the ones mentioned that I've read get me going. I would list them all, but since practically every children's book has me feeling tearful, I shall just mention the hoary favourites.
LMM - Beth's illness & dying & Amy not being there in; as
If you'll refer to my original post, I did not state any facts, other than to
present Pullman's quote.
I am a librarian, researching all of the time, and have compiled reams of
information about many aspects of our political scene in America at this time,
and the direction in which our nation i
Kate D wrote
Today was the dreaded day when despite my protestations my colleagues yet
again voted me the job of Writing The School Christmas Play. At least Madge
and Joey took turns with each other!
Kate, have we suggested before that it is time you thought about copying the
plays
performed
I believe that in many urban areas in the early 20th century, and later
in some places, something like 80 to 90% of people had TB infections,
but only a minority developed long-term or fatal illness.
My mother had lung X-rays as an adult which indicated that she had
probably had TB as a child, bu
Sorry folks, I had forgotten about some facts I had mentioned in that post
(sparked by the Pullman quote I posted) and erroneously said I had not stated
the facts.
Here are some websites to support the statements I made about liberals not
engaging in certain possibly unconstitutional behaviors,
Some people just seem to have natural immunity. A friend of mine is a
primary teacher and has never caught anything despite being surrounded by
snotty little children every day. Even as a child she was never sick, and
she has said she was always so envious of her sisters who got to take time
off
Nicky wrote, about my heroine Mrs. Beeton:
> Sorry - misread my source. Mrs B's mother had 4 children by her first
> marriage (Isabella was the eldest and her father died when she was
> four), then 13 by her second marriage. He second husband already had 4
> making a grand total of 21 ! No idea whe
The one that really gets me is in HP and the Goblet of Fire, when Dumbledore
is telling Harry about Neville's parents and how they're in St Mungo's and
Neville visits them in the holidays - and they don't recognise him. That
just gets me, more than almost any other thing in books. I cry much more
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