Re: midi problems

2000-01-31 Thread Adam Wendt
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: > Okay, what you've got is the MPU-401 driver on that address. As I said > before, I'm pretty sure MPU-401 is for external MIDI devices only (I could be > wrong). The OPL-3 driver is also trying to use that address, which makes me > think that you have a choice

Re: midi problems

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Adam Wendt wrote: >>> opl3: I/O port 0x388 already in use >> >> That is probably your problem. 0x388 is used by sound cards a lot, and >> OPL3 is definitely a synthesis engine. Do a "cat /proc/ioports" to see if >> you can't find out what is using port 0x388. > > That gives

Re: Cisco Router Configuration

2000-01-31 Thread Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan
>help. I have been tasked with setting up a vpn solution to connect our >office to our UK office, and need some specific technical advice on what >parts I need to put it together. I already have an idea of how I want it >setup. I just need help on picking the correct hardware. Please e-mail Hi, Wh

Re: Cisco Router Configuration

2000-01-31 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
Josh, I forgot to mention a few commercial (and Linux-friendly, I might add) VPN solutions that you might want to look into: Joshua Flythe wrote: Unified Access Communications PN7: http://www.uac.com/Products/Firewalls/PN7_Home/features_PN7_VPN.html Compatable Systems (Several products) ht

[RE: Cisco Router Configuration]

2000-01-31 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
Josh, I'm part of the team support the remote access systems for my company. I'll give you as much help as I can. However, I *really* recommend that you look into frees/wan (http://www.freeswan.org ). Feel free to contact me either on or off of the list. Kenny Joshua Flythe wrote: > > I

Cisco Router Configuration

2000-01-31 Thread Joshua Flythe
I know this is off topic for the group, but I was hoping to get some help. I have been tasked with setting up a vpn solution to connect our office to our UK office, and need some specific technical advice on what parts I need to put it together. I already have an idea of how I want it setup. I jus

Re: Monitor/keyboard/mouse switches

2000-01-31 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International
I am using a switch by ATEN, called the MASTER VIEW CPU SWITCH, model CS-104 It handles four systems, with either serial or PS/2 mice. md -- = Jon "maddog" Hall Executive Director, Linux(R) Intern'lDirector of Linux

Re: midi problems

2000-01-31 Thread Adam Wendt
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: > > at bootup i get this message: > > opl3: I/O port 0x388 already in use > > That is probably your problem. 0x388 is used by sound cards a lot, and OPL3 > is definitely a synthesis engine. Do a "cat /proc/ioports" to see if you > can't find out what is using p

Re: midi problems

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Adam Wendt wrote: > When I try 'playmidi somemidifile.mid' > I get: playmidi: No playback device found. That sounds like playmidi went to open /dev/sequencer (the device file for on-board MIDI synthesis) and failed. That either means your system is missing the device node

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Greg Kettmann
Oops, in the words of my kids "my bad". Actually kind of funny since it was a message about file sharing (System Message Block, I think). Oh well. Yes, I need SMP to run a second engine. It is not the default with Mandrake V7. Thanks GGK. Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan wrote: > >If not I need to rec

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Matt Herbert
Matt Herbert wrote: > > WinAmp changed it's name to XMMS. > Oops, As others have pointed out, what I meant to say is: it's X11Amp, which was renamed to XMMS. -Matt (walks away muttering to himself about proof reading) -- Matthew W. Herbert x75764 Spectrum Advanced Applications http://www.a

Re: Mac file sharing (was Windows File Sharing)

2000-01-31 Thread Stephen Ryan
On 31 Jan, Noah Fields wrote: > > I have installed netAtalk (or maybe it came out of the box with RedHat??) > and I must say it works quite well for my home office network. I was > able to export (or whatever the appletalk equiv is) users home > directories, authenticated with their unix username

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan
>If not I need to recompile the kernel to enable >a second processor (SMB support) anyway. Oops, just to be sure you know what you are talking about, and this was just a typing mistake. For the second processor, you need SMP (symmetric multi processing). It's different from SMB, what you use for m

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Greg Kettmann wrote: > How do I share files with the other machines in the Network Neighborhood? Probably the fastest and easiest way is to FTP them from the windows box to the linux box. If you really want to mount your windows shares on your Linux box, you'll need to comp

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Matt Herbert
Greg Kettmann wrote: > > Unrelated but I'd love to hear comments. I was trying to show off MP3's > under Linux instead of Windows. Windows get's all flaky if anything else is > going on and I assumed Linux, like OS/2, could handle it fine. Ohh yeah, linux handles it very nicely. > I tried to

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:16:00 EST Greg Kettmann said: >First, the support here is incredible (as in extremely good, fast and reliable) >Thank you all. You're welcome :) >Benjamin Scott wrote: >> If you want to mount a share from a Windows box to a Linux machine, you >>need to

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:56:24 EST Derek Martin said: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Niall Kavanagh wrote: > >> We'll all chip in and buy you a squegie for your monitor then. > >Hehe... I slay me. Yet another stupid "reply-all' reflex... you'd be >amazed at how often that gets me into tro

Mac file sharing (was Windows File Sharing)

2000-01-31 Thread Noah Fields
I have installed netAtalk (or maybe it came out of the box with RedHat??) and I must say it works quite well for my home office network. I was able to export (or whatever the appletalk equiv is) users home directories, authenticated with their unix username and password. I have not tried it in a

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:52:32 EST Derek Martin said: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Derek Martin wrote: > >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: >> >> Yeah but you know what, Tom C. convinced me. I have everything I really >> need, so rather than doing all that work I'm just g

Re: Help! Sound

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:17:37 EST Greg Kettmann said: >How do I test sound? > >If it's not working what steps should I take next? Have you run sndconfig? My sound wasn't working after a re-install, and running this app fixed the problem in under 3 minutes. -- Seeya, Paul ---

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Stephen Ryan
On 31 Jan, Benjamin Scott wrote: > If you want to mount a share from a Windows box to a Linux machine, you need > to have smbfs support compiled into the kernel (or available as a module). > Then it is simply a matter of using smbmount to mount the share. Aha! I kinda hoped there was a way to

Re: gnome and kde

2000-01-31 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Benjamin Scott wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: > > And for some, emacs is the only wm they'll ever need :) > > I'm still waiting for emacs to incorporate an X server. :) I got the shock of the day yesterday when I used it to edit an HTML file that contained some ISO-2022-

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread geoff allsup
Adam Wendt wrote: > > I couldn't find a WinAmp for Linux although I thought it > > existed. > No, I don't think there is a winamp for linux, xmms is as close as it comes and > its near identical. You can even use winamp skins with xmms. there is a player called freeamp at www.freeamp.org - it wo

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Greg Kettmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Benjamin Scott wrote: > > If you want to mount a share from a Windows box to a Linux machine, you > need > >to have smbfs support compiled into the kernel (or available as a module). > >Then it is simply a matter of using smbmount to mount the share. >

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Greg Kettmann
First, the support here is incredible (as in extremely good, fast and reliable) Thank you all. Benjamin Scott wrote: > If you want to mount a share from a Windows box to a Linux machine, you need >to have smbfs support compiled into the kernel (or available as a module). >Then it is simply a mat

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:03:41 EST Stephen Ryan said: >Samba, though I don't know if that's two-way sharing or not. I've never >had occasion to use it. I do know you can use Samba to get access to >files stored on a Linux machine from a Win 9x machine; I don't recall >hearing an

Re: gnome and kde

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:56:07 EST Benjamin Scott said: >On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: >> And for some, emacs is the only wm they'll ever need :) > > I'm still waiting for emacs to incorporate an X server. :) Well, they've got a web-browser, e-mail client, and news r

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:52:10 EST Benjamin Scott said: > (Hmm, I better be careful, or I'll cut in on Paul's sarcasm service. ;) Nahhh. I'm way to busy to service all the requests for sarcasm I get ;) I need help from those willing and able to take on such tasks. Consider it

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
The later 2.2.x kernels contain support for the SMB file systems. Assuming you have a Windows9x machine, foo, sharing it's C drive. mount -t smbfs -o password=xxx //foo/c /home/foo You now can use foo's C: drive, or any other share that foo decides to allow you to use. The command:smbclient

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Adam Wendt
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: > Unrelated but I'd love to hear comments. I was trying to show off MP3's > under Linux instead of Windows. Windows get's all flaky if anything else is > going on and I assumed Linux, like OS/2, could handle it fine. I tried to > install the latest XMMS but it fa

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I tried to install the latest XMMS but it fails because there is an > > earlier version installed. > So, um, remove the old version first. :) Or, if you are using RPM, use > the > "-U" (upgrade) switch instead of "-i" (install). The newest RPM

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
All systems have the exact same problem, Windows, Linux, and most Unixes. Consider this: Unix vendor ships version x.1. Same vendor, different group ships a product, lets say C++. The C++ compiler depends on libc version x.1.1. Vendor ships Unix version x.1.2 which includes libc version x.1.2.

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Greg Kettmann wrote: > More dumb questions. I know, I know... Linux is just as easy to use as > Windows. LOL! :-) > How do I share files with the other machines in the Network Neighborhood? If you want to mount a share from a Windows box to a Linux machine, you need t

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Stephen Ryan
On 31 Jan, Greg Kettmann wrote: > More dumb questions. I know, I know... Linux is just as easy to use as > Windows. > > Most importantly, I have a home network. Works great, Linux Firewall, NAT/IP > Masq, etc. Unfortunately, for various reasons (mostly because I couldn't > load Linux on a Micr

Re: Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Greg Kettmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > How do I share files with the other machines in the Network Neighborhood? Samba. Samba allows Linux to contribute in a Windows workgroup. > Unrelated but I'd love to hear comments. I was trying to show off MP3's > under Linux instead of Windows.

Re: gnome and kde

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: > And for some, emacs is the only wm they'll ever need :) I'm still waiting for emacs to incorporate an X server. :) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > Yep, but if done in an intelligent manner, a 'Linux Registry' could make > machine configuration data, etc, easily restorable, along with offering a > common interface to this type of data.. Heck, never mind Linux, *nix in > general.. You still ha

Windows File Sharing

2000-01-31 Thread Greg Kettmann
More dumb questions. I know, I know... Linux is just as easy to use as Windows. Most importantly, I have a home network. Works great, Linux Firewall, NAT/IP Masq, etc. Unfortunately, for various reasons (mostly because I couldn't load Linux on a MicroChannel box) I'm running NT on my server.

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: >> Linux also supports the idea of having multiple versions of shared >> libraries installed at once, something Windows (so far) cannot do. > > Woah there, Nelly.. Windows supports the same sort of shared library > support that Linux does. Read it ag

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Randy Edwards
> There's no GNU in the name. Right. I suppose technically it's not in the name; it's on your disk. :-) -- Regards, | SAT practice quiz: Microsoft is to software as ... .|Answer: McDonalds is to gourmet cooking. Randy| |

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:31:24 EST Derek Martin said: >Having seen Linux go from little more than a fledgeling Unix-like >operating system that I could write my shell script homework on to a >well-supported OS that I now use for everything, including "desk-top" >applications like

Re: Solaris question

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:56:31 EST Chuck MacKinnon said: >ge0 Cool! thanks much! -- Seeya, Paul Doing something stupid always costs less (up front) than doing something intelligent. A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thin

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > > Derek, > > Maybe you are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe you shouldn't be > > looking for something that *Linux* is lacking, but rather, find > > something that is lacking from OTHER OS's, and

Re: gnome and kde

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:23:42 EST Benjamin Scott said: >On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, tom r wrote: >> Can someone point me toward a simple explanation of the significance of >> Gnome verus KDE? > > Same as Ford verus Chevy. Some love one, some love the other, some hate >both, some don't

Re: Linux books

2000-01-31 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:54:57 +0100 Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan said: >Hi Everybody, >> Tanenbaum!? Don't let Linus hear that that! ;-) >Oh yeah, I just recall some confrontation. What was that exactly? Minix-Linux >war? Tannenbaum mentioned that if Linus were one of his OS studen

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Greg Kettmann
I have two comments. First, I know for a fact that AOL is working on things Linux related. I don't know exactly what that means but I know people that work there that are working on Linux products. I'm not really at liberty to discuss much more I just know I've helped them out with Linux specif

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Chester Martel
Reminds me of an evaluation joke I ran across: "When he opens his mouth, it iseems it is only to change feet. I might have been rude last Friday but not vulgar. > -Original Message- > From: Derek Martin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 2:53 PM > To: [EMAIL P

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Niall Kavanagh wrote: > We'll all chip in and buy you a squegie for your monitor then. Hehe... I slay me. Yet another stupid "reply-all' reflex... you'd be amazed at how often that gets me into trouble... -- "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?""Who watches the watchmen?"

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Derek Martin wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > > Yeah but you know what, Tom C. convinced me. I have everything I really > need, so rather than doing all that work I'm just gonna sit in my room > looking at porn and beat off... :) Sorry everyone, I d

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Niall Kavanagh
We'll all chip in and buy you a squegie for your monitor then. -Original Message- From: Derek Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The future of linux On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > Derek, >

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > Derek, > Maybe you are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe you shouldn't be > looking for something that *Linux* is lacking, but rather, find > something that is lacking from OTHER OS's, and do it for Linux before > they have it for anythin

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
As Linux becomes more and more prevalent, maybe Intuit will port Quick Books to Linux. Personally, I use MoneyDance for my personal checkbook. The reason I did not use GNUCash was that there were several prerequisites I had to load, and one of them would not build, so instead of fixing the pro

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 31 Jan 00, at 12:25, Thomas Charron wrote: > > A registry is simply a unified system for accessing configuration data. > > Period. You call them config files. Go ahead, but they are no more then > > simplified registries, mostly using ASCII based

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20
Derek Atkins, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> This is definitely a prejudice. My prejudice against AOL, and the reason I summarily dumped them about a month ago, is due to the following: 1.) NO support for Windows NT 4.0 dial-up support. 2.) Cancellation of ALL "Member's Preferences" with no noti

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Atkins
Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 31 Jan 2000, Derek Atkins wrote: > > > Derek, > > > > * Currently she uses AOL.. There is no AOL client for Linux. > > My prejudices get in the way here too... no one should use AOL :) > However, this is not a shortcoming of linux, it is a shortc

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
I don't think that most of us have a problem with the concept of a registry. The Windows(X) implementation is really the problem. A corrupt registry can render a Windows system useless. On 31 Jan 00, at 12:25, Thomas Charron wrote: > A registry is simply a unified system for accessing conf

Re: linux and AOL

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting "Kenneth E. Lussier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thomas Charron wrote: > > Quoting "Joshua S. Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > AFAIK xaol is an open source project to create an AOL client > > >for linux > > Wow, there's a bold move on their part. I wish them the best, > > but I'm not > >

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
Derek, Maybe you are looking at this the wrong way. Maybe you shouldn't be looking for something that *Linux* is lacking, but rather, find something that is lacking from OTHER OS's, and do it for Linux before they have it for anything else. What would be something really cool to have, reg

Re: linux and AOL

2000-01-31 Thread Mike Spenard
"Joshua S. Freeman" wrote: > AFAIK xaol is an open source project to create an AOL client for linux o god, just what the world needs. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body*

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Jerry Callen
Derek Martin wrote: > 1) ease of installation: Did she install Windows? Probably not. Most vendors pre-install Windows. A few vendors offer Linux pre-installed, but it's no where near as common as Windows. > 2) ease of maintenance: What maintanence? Once she's got an account, > and you've

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Niall Kavanagh
> * She uses QuickBooks. There is no alternative for Linux This is going to be a thorn in our side for some time. Small business owners everywhere are holding off on Linux because there's no similar package available. I know there's a GNU Money-like program, but we REALLY need something with the

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Jason Nelson
At 11:15 AM 1/31/00 -0500, Derek Martin wrote: >On 31 Jan 2000, Derek Atkins wrote: > >> I'd like to see Linux be a real condender to replace Windows. In >> order to do that, I think linux has a long way to go in the usability >> area. Ease of installation, maintenence, and everyday use are key

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Niall Kavanagh
>> admit, Windows 2000 and Windows Millennium are a breath of fresh air >> compared to NT/98/95 during the installation process). Most of these people > >I'd expect you do say that! >:-) I can't help it! ;) Most of my development experience has been Win32, and lately for the web (backend on Win32

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Niall Kavanagh
> 1) ease of installation: Did she install Windows? For the "moms" and "grandparents" this point is moot. Installing Linux can be just as easy if not easier than installing windows (though I have to admit, Windows 2000 and Windows Millennium are a breath of fresh air compared to NT/98/95 during

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Noah Fields
Derek I think you are right, the real issue is probably installing / upgrading applications. This tends to be the real baga-boo on all systems though, not just linux. The RedHat installation process is easy enough compared to win. But what happens when the system gets out of wack? I personally t

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Atkins
Derek, * Currently she uses AOL.. There is no AOL client for Linux. * She uses Word and Excel. Or maybe Works, I don't recall. However, I think she could probably use just about any word processing system. * She uses QuickBooks. There is no alternative for Linux * I think she may have some

Re: linux and AOL

2000-01-31 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
Thomas Charron wrote: > > Quoting "Joshua S. Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > AFAIK xaol is an open source project to create an AOL client > >for linux > > Wow, there's a bold move on their part. I wish them the best, > but I'm not > sure they'll ever be able to keep up with AOL > breaking^

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Atkins
I'd like to see Linux be a real condender to replace Windows. In order to do that, I think linux has a long way to go in the usability area. Ease of installation, maintenence, and everyday use are key to making Linux as easy to use as Windows. Without that usability, I couldn't even conceive of

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Randy Edwards wrote: > GNU/Linux will eventually start to feel the same pressures. UGH That gets on my nerves. I don't run Debian, I run RedHat Linux. There's no GNU in the name. Sorry, just being a bitch. -- "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?""Who watches the watchmen?

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Niall Kavanagh wrote: > I can't help it! ;) Most of my development experience has been Win32, and Poor Bastard! > lately for the web (backend on Win32/SiteServer/SQLServer/ASP and > Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP) which is mostly Win32 clients. Unlike a lot of folks > I don't think

Re: linux and AOL

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting "Joshua S. Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > AFAIK xaol is an open source project to create an AOL client for linux Wow, there's a bold move on their part. I wish them the best, but I'm not sure they'll ever be able to keep up with AOL breaking^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H "extending" their prop

linux and AOL

2000-01-31 Thread Joshua S. Freeman
AFAIK xaol is an open source project to create an AOL client for linux cheers, J. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > > And here's an example of why people would be concerned about > fragmentation. > > Can the hardware manufacters include docs on how to install a printer > under > > Redhat&KDE, Redhat&Gnome, etc.. etc..?

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote: > > *climbs up onto soap-box* > > Installation: > > As has been pointed out by many people, OSes are hard to install. This is {SNIP} > I hear it said a lot that Linux has a higher learning curve then Windows. > No, it doesn't. If you get a pr

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
Derek Martin wrote: > > On 31 Jan 2000, Derek Atkins wrote: > > > Derek, > > > > * Currently she uses AOL.. There is no AOL client for Linux. > > My prejudices get in the way here too... no one should use AOL:) > However, this is not a shortcoming of linux, it is a shortcoming > of AOL. Then

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > And here's an example of why people would be concerned about fragmentation. > Can the hardware manufacters include docs on how to install a printer under > Redhat&KDE, Redhat&Gnome, etc.. etc..? Unification is what makes this type of > this poss

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Jerry Callen wrote: > I'm not sure most non-Unix-savvy people would find installing new apps > all that easy. It's pretty mindless under Windows, and in my experience, > it *usually* works. It's alredy getting that way though. Linux has autorun, and I installed Quake3 for L

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Randy Edwards
> What are you saying, that this doesn't happen in the windows world? Of course it does. But let's face it, part of the reason why Win9x is so bad is because of legacy support for poorly written apps. I'm guessing that GNU/Linux will eventually start to feel the same pressures. > For the no

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Randy Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Installation of packages? No way in heck. ;-P Perhaps with Debians > > package manager, but certainly not RedHat's RPM.. >Debian's package tools require one to be root to do anything other than > look at the packages installed. You don't mind

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > > ;-P Well, something I'm not sure you answered, but asked everyone > else.. > > What do *YOU* think Linux needs, and would be excited to see? That may > well > > answer you're question.. > Linux on eve

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > > What people don't seem to understand is, we really already USE > registries. > > They are just application level registries. > Um, no. As you went on to say, we use config files. So call them that.

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Linux also supports the idea of having multiple versions of shared > libraries > installed at once, something Windows (so far) cannot do. Woah there, Nelly.. Windows supports the same sort of shared library support that Linux does. But instead

Speaking of GnoRPM

2000-01-31 Thread Jerry Feldman
Speaking of GnoRPM. I attempted to use GnoRPM on my UDB last night. I had the Power Tools CD mounted as /mnt/cdrom, and the GnoRPM set to point to /mnt/cdrom/alpha. (BTW: I was logged on as root). When I clicked on install, the second window opened, but the package hierachy was constantly upd

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Jason Nelson wrote: > > > Getting the big manufactures to sell preinstalled Linux machines I believe > would be part of the answer here. Its a bit of chicken and egg issue. Yes. > >2) ease of maintenance: What maintanence? Once she's got an account, > >and you've set up

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Bob Bell
Thomas Charron wrote: > And no, mankind *doesn't* like to learn something new and different. They > want it available in 5 minutes via a driveup window. They want someone else to > grow it, someone else to ship it, someone else to cook it, and someone else to > deliver it, so they can consume

midi problems

2000-01-31 Thread Adam Wendt
Speaking of getting a sound card working.. My Yamaha OPL3-SAx soundcard is detected fine by sndconfig and works for most everything I want it to do, the only problem is I can't seem to play midi files. When I try 'playmidi somemidifile.mid' I get: playmidi: No playback device found. I

Re: Help! Sound (Fixed)

2000-01-31 Thread Greg Kettmann
Well, I still agree with what I've said on Linux Futures, but... That said. That was slick. A simple "sndconfig" worked great. It configured the card, finding it with no problem, and then played some test sounds to verify it worked. Way cool!!! Thanks for your advice and help. GGK Adam Wend

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On 31 Jan 2000, Derek Atkins wrote: > Derek, > > * Currently she uses AOL.. There is no AOL client for Linux. My prejudices get in the way here too... no one should use AOL :) However, this is not a shortcoming of linux, it is a shortcoming of AOL. Then again, the type of people who currently

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Randy Edwards
> Installation of packages? No way in heck. ;-P Perhaps with Debians > package manager, but certainly not RedHat's RPM.. Debian's package tools require one to be root to do anything other than look at the packages installed. You don't mind giving them root access do you?!:-) -- Regards,

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > ;-P Well, something I'm not sure you answered, but asked everyone else.. > What do *YOU* think Linux needs, and would be excited to see? That may well > answer you're question.. Linux on every desktop... ;) Other than that, I already have ever

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > What people don't seem to understand is, we really already USE registries. > They are just application level registries. Um, no. As you went on to say, we use config files. So call them that. The Windows registry is a monster. Don't call a wo

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Greg Kettmann wrote: > I agree that the default installs are good and getting better but that > misses the point. It is still a very narrow road. If something goes > wrong it is far more difficult, in Linux, to diagnose and correct it. Oh, and Windows makes it *so* much e

Re: Help! Sound

2000-01-31 Thread Adam Wendt
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, you wrote: > Hi, > >I need some advice on how to get my sound card running. > > If you have a pnp card, you have to do the following: > pnpdump>>/etc/isapnp.conf > Then you have to edit that file, meaning that you have to uncomment a few lines > (ACT Y) also. Which io, irq

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Niall Kavanagh wrote: > > 1) ease of installation: Did she install Windows? > > For the "moms" and "grandparents" this point is moot. Installing Linux can > be just as easy if not easier than installing windows (though I have to Agreed 100% > admit, Windows 2000 and Windo

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan
Hi, >Maybe what you should look at is the recovery options that Linux lacks >for when the home/end user messes something up. But again, my concerns Alright, I have to say this. I have seen my brother suffering with win installs. Just keep installing a few games, and then deinstalling them, and yo

RE: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Benjamin Scott
*climbs up onto soap-box* Installation: As has been pointed out by many people, OSes are hard to install. This is due mainly to the nature of the IBM-PC platform. This isn't ever going to change for this platform. The solution is to have the professionals -- the system integrators, like

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Greg Kettmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Finally, the registry. Arghhh, don't even go there. Perhaps you could > rearrange > the text files or have a better system for cataloging them but if Linux > goes to a > registry, I quit! ;-) What people don't seem to understand is, we really alrea

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > > Well, most *like* the idea of simply double clicking on an exe, and > breezing > > thru the default, untill 'Finish'. The one hurdle I see here is > administrative > > access to a machine. I'd love to

Re: The future of linux

2000-01-31 Thread Thomas Charron
Quoting Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Thomas Charron wrote: > Ah, yes, but RH has Kwanza or whatever it's called :) So in theory, it can > do that too... Adding the printer via redhat's print manager isn't that > tough either. Before you blame Linux entirely, how about

Re: Help! Sound

2000-01-31 Thread Ferenc Tamas Gyurcsan
Hi, >I need some advice on how to get my sound card running. If you have a pnp card, you have to do the following: pnpdump>>/etc/isapnp.conf Then you have to edit that file, meaning that you have to uncomment a few lines (ACT Y) also. Which io, irq and dma you would like to use. Then you can ru

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