On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> Kurth Bemis wrote:
> Netscape understands pop3. That's what I'm using to post this.
> Anyone else have suggestions?
I prefer Netscape, myself, but I've also had success with
KMail. Personally, after a whole lot of trial and error, I ended up
using a
Greetings, all...
I was just surfing around and happenned to come across this
list... which I'm happy I did... I recognize a couple names here from
reputation and one from someone I know... Hi, Tom.
I just figured I'd introduce myself...
I currently run mostly dual-boot systems with Mandrake7/
Another bibliographic reference:
Design Patterns, Gamma et.al.
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0201633612
This is the best thing I've seen since:
Software Tools, Kernighan & Plauger
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=020103669X
which for o
Kurth asks:
> problem 1
> in win2k i use eudora pro. on freshmeat there are several GUI mail
> clients for gnome, however none of them support pop3 mail! when i
> try to check my mail it gives me " Feature not yet implemented".
> does anyone know of a good pop3 GUI mail client for gnome? i hav
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
>> In the software engineering field, the design *is* the product.
>
> NO!! I've overseen software development. The code is NOT, repeat,
> NOT, the design. The design is the functional description of what the
> CODE does / will do.
*sigh* I knew t
Jeffry Smith wrote:
> Kurth Bemis wrote:
> >
> > greetings to the list,
> >
> > i saw ben at the hosstrader show in rochester this weekend and he got my
> > intrest sparked again in using linux as a desktop OS. i was/am currently using
> > win2000. ( no comments please :-) ) i just have a few
On Wed, 17 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pathalogical Counterexample:
>
> lnux-bos:ccb1 ed nofile
Ah, yes, ed! The standard editor. :-)
Here's an implementation of ed for bash:
while true ; do read ; echo \? ; done
;-)
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Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|"Ten thousand ye
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ironically, there are a number of books from Microsoft Press that are
> very clear on some of these issues:
>
> Writing Solid Code, Steve Maguire
> Code Complete, Steve McConnell
> Debugging the Development Process, Steve Maguire
hm. They're so busy wri
Sounds like a job for "linear".
Check the lilo.conf man page for more info.
ccb
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US Northeast Region Burlington, MA 01803-4145
+1 617 543-65
Kurth Bemis wrote:
>
> greetings to the list,
>
> i saw ben at the hosstrader show in rochester this weekend and he got my
> intrest sparked again in using linux as a desktop OS. i was/am currently using
> win2000. ( no comments please :-) ) i just have a few questions.
Welcome. Stop by at a
>From Benjamin Scott:
> Example:
>
> $ rmdir foo
> rmdir: foo: Directory not empty
Pathalogical Counterexample:
Script started on Wed May 17 00:10:19 2000
lnux-bos:ccb1 ed nofile
nofile: No such file or directory
help
?
g
?
h
Invalid address
s
?
exit
?
quit
?
q
lnux-bos:ccb2 exi
greetings to the list,
i saw ben at the hosstrader show in rochester this weekend and he got my
intrest sparked again in using linux as a desktop OS. i was/am currently using
win2000. ( no comments please :-) ) i just have a few questions.
I installed redhat 6.0 nand then installed helix gnom
Jeffry Smith wrote:
>
> Benjamin Scott wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> > > I'm reading a great book called "The Software Conspiracy." It's not
> > > about a true conspiracy, but about why so much software is bad...
> >
> > I've heard this comparison before, and there
Benjamin Scott wrote:
>
> But the point is, it doesn't try to hide the fact that something went
> wrong. If Microsoft were to write that error message, you would see:
>
> $ rmdir foo
> The command did not complete successfully. Contact your system
> administrator if y
Benjamin Scott wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> > I'm reading a great book called "The Software Conspiracy." It's not
> > about a true conspiracy, but about why so much software is bad...
>
> I've heard this comparison before, and there *are* differences between
> softwar
Benjamin Scott wrote:
>
> However, the UCITA [2], already approved by the National Congress and before
> the legislature in the states, will make such "shrink wrap" disclaimers legal.
> That is why the UCITA is so dangerous, and why everyone should be fighting
> tooth and nail to prevent it fro
Mike Bilow asserts:
> Ultimately, reviewing code is a lot like teaching.
This is a fundamental truth. Without this teaching, your
organization's code degenerates into mystical bullshit.
If I had a dollar for every software engineering manager I've met that
lacked this basic understanding...
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Randy Edwards wrote:
> I installed LILO (version 21.4-2) on /dev/sda (a 9GB SCSI drive) and it
> looked like it went fine. /dev/sda1 is a tiny 60-70 MB boot partition at
> the beginning of the drive. However, when I try to boot from it I get the
> "LI" and nothing else.
H
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Christopher M. Downs wrote:
> i have a 4 gig hp surestore tape 6000 in my linux box right now. i need to
> copy the entire drive as a whole if i can.
I've always liked GNU tar(1) for this. For example:
tar -cW --totals -f /dev/nst0 --exclude /proc --exclude /tmp /
T
I'm playing "reorganize drives and partitions" in a box and am converting
over from booting off from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1. Moving things around
went fine (God what a blessing that is compared to doing something similar
with Windows!), but I'm having problems booting off from the
SCSI partition
Ben, Ben, Ben. You're being too harsh:
> If Microsoft were to write that error message, you would see:
>
> $ rmdir foo
> The command did not complete successfully. Contact your system
> administrator if you need help. (Error code 0x0F3D97B4)
>
> (And you can bet dolla
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
>> If Microsoft's products ... cause you to lose time/money/resources, why
>> can't they be held accountable?
>
> IANAL, but the last time I actually read a shrink-wrap license carefully,
> I recall reading that by agreeing to this license, I gave up tha
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> I'm reading a great book called "The Software Conspiracy." It's not
> about a true conspiracy, but about why so much software is bad...
I've heard this comparison before, and there *are* differences between
software engineering and other kinds of eng
On Mon, 15 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:
> We spend a lot of time dealing with the fallout from Microsoft's poor
> networking implementations. For example, when our Unix mail server fails
> a message, it does so properly and sends a polite English language
> explanation of what went wrong -- which
Derek Martin wrote:
> Tort law is tort law. What's the difference? If
> Microsoft's products (or any other software company's,
> for that matter) cause you to lose time/money/resources,
> why can't they be held accountable? It just doesn't
> make any sense.
What makes this well-stated t
On Tue, 16 May 2000, you wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
>
> >
> > Derek Martin writes:
> >
> > > Tort law is tort law. What's the difference? If Microsoft's products (or
> > > any other software company's, for that matter) cause you to lose
> > > time/money/resources, why
On Tue, 16 May 2000, you wrote:
> Derek Martin says:
>And as the article you ponted to earlier suggests, an organization can
>write perfect, bug-free code. They simply need to make the commitment to
>do it. I agree wholeheartedly that the design process is the key. If
>
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Tom Rauschenbach wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2000, you wrote:
> [snip]
> > system. My system is dual boot. I'd wager that at least 50% of you out there
> > are also dual boot.
> [snip]
>
> My system was until Win95 needed yet another re-install. The decision to not do
> th
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Mike Bilow wrote:
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:37:55 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mike Bilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Kevin D. Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GNHLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
BLU Users' Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Plea f
On Tue, 16 May 2000, you wrote:
> Given that I criticized Minasi rather severely for his horrendously flawed
> "Inside OS/2" series of books, I find his emergence as a quality expert
> rather ironic, to say the least.
>
> I do not believe there are any CMM5 operations in India. There may well
>
On Mon, 15 May 2000, you wrote:
[snip]
> system. My system is dual boot. I'd wager that at least 50% of you out there
> are also dual boot.
[snip]
My system was until Win95 needed yet another re-install. The decision to not do
that wasn't hard.
>
>
> *
Derek Martin says:
And as the article you ponted to earlier suggests, an organization can
write perfect, bug-free code. They simply need to make the commitment to
do it. I agree wholeheartedly that the design process is the key. If
your process is bad, your
This is just outright management failure. See, for example:
http://www.oualline.com/col/review.html
I can assure you that people hate to see me drop in on code reviews. It
takes significant effort to follow someone else's code, and it requires
some practice on their part of explain it.
Given that I criticized Minasi rather severely for his horrendously flawed
"Inside OS/2" series of books, I find his emergence as a quality expert
rather ironic, to say the least.
I do not believe there are any CMM5 operations in India. There may well
be places that claim to be at CMM5, but this
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
>
> Derek Martin writes:
>
> > Tort law is tort law. What's the difference? If Microsoft's products (or
> > any other software company's, for that matter) cause you to lose
> > time/money/resources, why can't they be held accountable? It just doesn'
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
> Derek Martin writes:
>
> > Tort law is tort law. What's the difference? If Microsoft's products (or
> > any other software company's, for that matter) cause you to lose
> > time/money/resources, why can't they be held accountable? It just doesn't
>
For some reason I got this twice - the first time I overlooked it (as
a matter of fact I saw one of the first responses to this and was going
to tell the others to go easy on you since you are a "newbie", but now
I've been at work all day and am in a "pissy" mood - so hang on... ;)
On Mon, 15 M
Derek Martin writes:
> Tort law is tort law. What's the difference? If Microsoft's products (or
> any other software company's, for that matter) cause you to lose
> time/money/resources, why can't they be held accountable? It just doesn't
> make any sense.
IANAL, but the last time I actually
On Tue, 16 May 2000, John Chambers wrote:
>
> Jeffry Smith wrote:
>On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
>...
>> I don't think that a lot of shops out there do a lot of peer-review,
>> and I believe that this tends to produce lower-quality software. I'd
>
Jeffry Smith wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
...
> I don't think that a lot of shops out there do a lot of peer-review,
> and I believe that this tends to produce lower-quality software. I'd
> bet a million dollars that Boeing's engi
:-) Currently, you run Linux, because you recognize that MS products have
:-)serious issues
Is it just me, or does it seem that all this Linux vs. Microsoft stuff is a
little ridiculous? I love Linux, which I am still pretty much a newbie with,
but I also enjoy Win95, Win3x and Dos. I kind of fee
I have real problems with Microsoft's dominance. I resent being unable to
buy a computer from a major brand-name vendor without Windows. I resent
having the computer arrive with video cards that will never be documented
so that they can be supported on anything other than Windows, or -- worse
--
When I saw it on the GNOME web site, it was a "we want to do for
gnome what KLyx does for KDE)", no actual code yet. However, the
only problem I have with Lyx is XForms (which is non-free). A GTK
front end would be great for me (I know I could do raw TeX/LaTeX,
but I'm not that proficient). I'v
Derek,
In the future, I/we would appriciate it if you didn't hold back so
much. Please, we want to know how you *REALLY* feel ;-)
Kenny
Derek Martin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2000, David P. Greenberg wrote:
>
> > :-) Currently, you run Linux, because you recognize that MS products have
Unsurprising IMNSHO, but here's the URL:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000516/tc/inprise_corel_2.html?
Bayard
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Compaq Computer
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> (Lyx/KLyx/GtkLyx [see sourceforge]) system would be better, but MS
As Scooby Doo would say, "ruh?" GtkLyx? I've got to check it out. Is it
further along than kLyx? Lots of stuff broken or missing in kLyx from
what I've seen...
--
Derek Martin
Sys
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
>
> Jeffry Smith writes:
>
> > Boeing
> > jets are extremely complex, requiring hundreds of thousands, if not
> > millions of parts, each of which must do its job correctly. The
> > odds are that there are flaws in the jets. Yet, as recent actions
>
In a message dated: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:44:31 EDT
Jeffry Smith said:
>Do you know if Applix's RTF is less bloated (ok, significanly less
>bloated) than MS's?
No I don't. I know nothing about RTF other than it exists, and all word
processors seem to [im,ex]port it.
> Also, I've noticed that M
Do you know if Applix's RTF is less bloated (ok, significanly less
bloated) than MS's? Also, I've noticed that MS Word, Applix, SO, &
Wordperfect all manage to interpret RTF differently. A LaTeX
(Lyx/KLyx/GtkLyx [see sourceforge]) system would be better, but MS
Office doesn't do that, & too many
In a message dated: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:27:35 EDT
Jeffry Smith said:
>I've found Applix 5.0 to be excellent at reading Word documents. My
>only problem is that it doesn't save them as doc format (exports via
>rtf). Their help also seems to be better than StarOffice.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE SAVI
I've found Applix 5.0 to be excellent at reading Word documents. My
only problem is that it doesn't save them as doc format (exports via
rtf). Their help also seems to be better than StarOffice.
jeff
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Paul Lussier wrote:
> In a message dated: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:34:35
In a message dated: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:34:35 EDT
Jonathan Arnold said:
>> Which reminds me: I just got a significant doc in Word format, and
>> when I printed it on my wife's W98 machine, parts came out garbled
>> and funny looking. I've heard a rumor that there was a Word that ran
>
>Yo
Here is more on presentation from SuSE this Thursday in Nashua.
This was just sent to me by Seth Payne of SuSE.
Two short years ago, skeptics used to complain, "Linux will never
succeed... There are no large companies behind the platform... There's no
support... There is no top tier relational
"Kevin D. Clark" wrote:
>
> Want to see an example of a software group that produces solid code?
> Read this article:
>
>http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html
Thank you for the pointer, Kevin. I'm a pilot; the narration of
main engine start brought me near tears.
But
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Kevin D. Clark wrote:
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:16:27 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Kevin D. Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: GNHLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BLU Users' Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Plea for help: The detriment of using Mi
Jeffry Smith writes:
> Boeing
> jets are extremely complex, requiring hundreds of thousands, if not
> millions of parts, each of which must do its job correctly. The
> odds are that there are flaws in the jets. Yet, as recent actions
> involving the Boeing 737 show, Boeing is held legally and
Hi all,
Please respond to me privately if you're interested in Dinner reservations for
Thurs. before the meeting. Once I have a count I'll make the reservations and
book the platform.
Thanks,
--
Seeya,
Paul
"I always explain our company via interpretive dance.
I
dump level 0 works well. If you restore, you get everything back as well
as all original inodes too. :-)
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-Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Stranger things have happened but none stranger than this. Steven W. Orr-
Does your driver's license say Organ Dono
On Tue, 16 May 2000, "Christopher M. Downs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i have a 4 gig hp surestore tape 6000 in my linux box right now.
> i need to copy the entire drive as a whole if i can.so if al hell
> breaks loose i can restore the enitire drive, is there a way to do
> this correctly? li
i have a 4 gig hp surestore tape 6000 in my linux box right now. i need to copy the
entire drive as a whole if i can.so if al hell breaks loose i can restore the enitire
drive, is there a way to do this correctly? like using dump or somnething?
thanks chris
I'm reading a great book called "The Software Conspiracy." It's not
about a true conspiracy, but about why so much software is bad. The
author, Mark Minasi, points out something very interesting. Boeing
jets are extremely complex, requiring hundreds of thousands, if not
millions of parts, eac
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