Re: Article

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, at 4:26pm, Jon Hall wrote: > So his campaign worked, to a large extent. Unfortunately, his campaign also alienated a lot of (potential) supporters. I have to wonder if he didn't end up with a net loss. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this me

Re: User education and the security apocalypse (was: Quickbooks)

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, at 10:22pm, Erik Price wrote: > TCPA and Palladium take the burden of security out of the hands of the > user... Yah, just like Big Brother takes the burden of free will out of the hands of the people. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this mess

User education and the security apocalypse (was: Quickbooks)

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, at 1:28pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hmmm, I know this is probably way beyond the grasp of the average user > like "Ms. Billings", however, couldn't she choose to print the invoice, > select "print to file" and mail the postscript file herself? I suspect "the average user"

Re: Looking for a decent calendar application

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, at 11:01am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I do not want to use Evolution/Connector, because I like exmh much better. Not to deflect your intent, but couldn't you just use Evolution and Connector for calendaring, and fetchmail/exmh for email? This has the added bonus of lettin

Re: automated installation

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, at 11:08am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone used to any one particular OS will find another > particular OS a bit "wierd" in this respect. It is, of course, very true that anyone used to all the details of one Unix will find other Unixes a little "weird".

Re: automated installation

sure which came first.) Because the /usr disk had more space than / disk, all the former to-level directories were re-created and stuff dumped there, leading to a bit of mess. It isn't that bad to have a one or two /usr/bscott directories, but on a large, multi-user system, it gets kind of ug

Re: automated installation

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, at 10:25am, Derek D. Martin wrote: > On a few occasions, I've allowed frustration to get the better of me, and > said some things I'd probably prefer I didn't... Well, Derek, if it makes you feel any better, I think that happens to everyone now and again (certainly, to me!)

Re: automated installation

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, at 5:54pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: > When you say this, it makes me think that you don't get GNU. GNU's *not* > Unix. But it was always intended to work like Unix, by and large. I have written and rewritten a response to this several times now. In all cases, the inevitabl

Re: Fighting with IRQs.

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, at 3:51pm, Rich C wrote: >> Not exactly. The cards themselves do not determine their configuration, > > Read my post again. I did not say that the card did this. Er, I just read your post again, and you did say that. However, you asked us not to quote you, so I won't. :

Re: Fighting with IRQs.

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, at 2:00pm, Rich C wrote: > If I were to disable this setting, I could manually assign all my IRQs > based on PCI slots (or ISA slots if I had any.) See me other post on PCI interrupt routing. :-) ISA cards (be they "legacy" ISA cards or "Plug-and-Play" ISA cards) have a

Re: Fighting with IRQs.

On 25 Jul 2002, at 1:30pm, Scott Garman wrote: > I've been having a hard time trying to force my sound and network card > to use different IRQs. Are they PCI cards? If so, it doesn't work that way. PCI slots each have four interrupt lines assigned to them -- INT A, B, C, and D. Those inter

Playing DVDs on Linux

Hello all, We now interrupt our regularly scheduled flaming to bring you the following on-topic post. ;-) I have, until now, been avoiding having anything to do with DVDs, due to the "issues" surrounding their use. (I was afraid I would be arrested for turning it on or something.) However

Re: automated installation

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 10:59am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The iterations of Linux distros have some major bugs in them. > > It's more accurate, and much more general :) Might as well be completely honest: The various iterations of most software have some major bugs in them. Or, t

Re: automated installation

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 10:55am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't disagree with any of that, I was merely stating that it's an > amusing read. You forget there is a real person on the other end of it. I have been the object of that kind of abuse too many times to find it amusing. :-( > Whi

Re: automated installation

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 10:26am, Mark Komarinski wrote: > Distros have their problems, no doubt about it. It's fortunate we can > have this discussion at all as compared to Windows users. It's also > fortunate that we can find our own ways around some of the problems that > also happen to be dis

Re: vanished Gnome taskbar

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 10:01am, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > Is Gnome known to be prone to random failures of this sort, or is this > more likely pilot error? I have seen the GNOME panel crash plenty of times, but it normally restarts automatically, and all the applets reappear with little or no

Re: automated installation

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, at 9:58am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > For an amusing chuckle, check out RH's bug reports searching on Derek as > the submitter. I have seen Derek's Red Hat bug reports before. He is often rude, abusive, and/or insulting, none of which are productive. You might find that s

Re: automated installation

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, at 2:34pm, Mark Komarinski wrote: > Every time I've used kickstart, there has been some serious bug in it. > From messing up the partition table to mismatches between > crypt/shadow/plaintext root password settings. The early iterations of Red Hat's anaconda install did hav

Re: automated installation

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, at 2:08pm, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > I'm looking for an automated software installation mechanism - I want to > be able to deliver software to my customers in such a way that they can > install it on multiple machines as painlessly as possible. Others have provided many go

Re: .deb HOWTO

On 23 Jul 2002, at 12:14pm, Cole Tuininga wrote: > Hi folks - I was curious if anybody knew of any resources on how to create > .deb files for a project? I took a look through google and debian.org but > didn't find much. Did you find ? Look for "maint

[Humor] Slashdot and the Real/Helix source release

In regards to the webcast that RealNetworks was hosting about their Open Source(ish) "Helix" framework, the following was seen on Slashdot: > During the Q&A session of the webcast: > > Perens: I've been reading questions off of slashdot, most of which have > been positive. > > Glaser: Are yo

RE: realplayer (was: Re: RealNetworks going Open Source?)

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 5:37pm, Alan R. wrote: > About the player being Vapoware... I agree. But they did just release a > Mac OS X version of RealOne Player on July 17 so things look good. Oh, I certainly won't complain if it happens. :) On a related note, I just found an "alpha" release

Re: RealNetworks going Open Source?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 3:50pm, Rich C wrote: > Of course this implies only that RealNetworks can supply streaming data in > Microsoft's format. If they can do this, you have to assume they can > decode it as well. Well, yes and no. The streaming transport is typically separate from the actual

Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 3:54pm, John Abreau wrote: > I have an older model at home ... I couldn't find a shutdown command, and > when I just flip the power switch it shuts down cleanly and then reboots > fine when I turn it on. Right. That isn't really a "power switch" in the traditional sense

Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 4:07pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> As a second note I forgot about, it also has a built in FTP and web server, >> as well as the ability to run Java servlets. Definatly a nice little >> box.. > > Ahm, okay, so how is this different than a Cobalt then? One is made by

RE: realplayer (was: Re: RealNetworks going Open Source?)

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 4:42pm, Alan R. wrote: > The CEO was really high on the helix server running on Linux. Just FYI, RealServer, their current proprietary product, already runs on Linux, so making the Open Source version run on Linux should be a no-brainer. :-) > He also speculated that a

Re: realplayer (was: Re: RealNetworks going Open Source?)

On 22 Jul 2002, at 4:05pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote: >> Since when can RealPlayer decode Windows Media? The version I have on >> Linux (8.0.3.421) certainly cannot. More information, please. > > Where does one obtain this version, anyways? http://proforma.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html

Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 2:29pm, Hewitt Tech wrote: > Has anyone used any of the Quantum Snap Server products to add NAS storage > for small office use? The only caveats I hear of regularly are performance, management, and backup. Performance is pretty poor, especially for any kind of I/O inten

Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 12:40pm, Ken Ambrose wrote: > Ken's (security) rule-of-thumb: if you don't have physical security, > you don't have security. Period. Looked at a different way, I -like- > being able to reset passwords easily through a button ... Yeah, what he said. :) Even if said

Re: RealNetworks going Open Source?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 2:04pm, Rich C wrote: > It appears the goal is to allow proprietary streaming media providers to > supply "plug-ins" to RealNetworks' framework, in order to make a more > versatile client. They don't appear to be opening up RealNetworks' > streaming protocol. I haven't b

RealNetworks going Open Source?

Interesting. RealNetworks announces that they will be releasing the source to certain software components, under what is supposed to be an Open Source(ish) license. http://netscape.com.com/2100-1104-945418.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/79476_real22.shtml http://www.helixcommunit

Re: Forbe's profiles Linux

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, at 9:59am, Mark Komarinski wrote: > IIRC, Forbes is starting to carry /. stories. Who publishes Forbes? I want to sell their stock short... ;-) -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily

Is Microsoft the next Enron/Worldcom?

http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=9726 "Wage expense at Microsoft exceeded $22 billion for the two-year period ending June 2001, and not a dime of this amount is charged against its earnings. Showing this expense as a charge to earnings would indeed make Microsoft, like Enron, an un

Re: MS Makes Donation to Peru

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, at 8:14am, Richard Soule wrote: > Money: 50 cents cash > Consulting Services: 60 minutes on the phone with a MSCE * > Software: $549,999.50 worth of MS DOS 3.0. Owning the IT infrastructure of a small country forever: Priceless. Some things, money can't buy. Fortunately

Re: Abusing CC:

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 12:10pm, Tom Buskey wrote: > Ummm, yahoo does lists for free & provides a web archive, etc. Granted, > there'd be less control & ads inserted. Well, maybe there'd be more > control. I, personally, would consider that a step in the wrong direction. :) When I say we

Re: Abusing CC:

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 11:52am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm not questioning that. I know full well that there are politcal > reasons for the way things are. Oh. Sorry. :-/ > I'm asking if List-* headers are even a possibility in Majordomo, which we > happen to be using because of what

Re: Abusing CC:

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 11:26am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Btw, ahm, with all this discussion about headers like M-F-T, why aren't we > using the already standard List-* headers? I would solve a lot of the > complaints here! Because the configuration of the current mailing list is limited by

Re: firewall eth0 weirdness

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 10:06am, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > - I am using pump and this isn't the first time I've heard >its reliability questioned, so I'll give dhcpcd a try. It isn't so much that ISC dhcpcd is better or worse then pump; it is just that it happens to get along with some DH

Re: firewall eth0 weirdness

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, at 7:56pm, Ken Ambrose wrote: > I see it frequently enough that I've taken to putting "pump" into cron. Try switching from "pump" to ISC "dhcpcd". A lot of people have reported trying one, having troubles, switching to the other, and that solves their problem. It appears

Re: Abusing CC:

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, at 4:32pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can someone explain exactly what M-F-T is *supposed* to do. *sigh* Did this forum become write-only when I wasn't looking? :) http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html In a public forum like this one, there are at least two types of "r

Re: Abusing CC:

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, at 9:46pm, Rich Payne wrote: > The other side of it was that those of who didn't agree with the change > reserved the right to complain about it for the rest of eternity. "I've said this before, but repetition is the very soul of the 'net."

Re: Abusing CC:

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, at 1:56pm, Bob Bell wrote: > IMHO, "Mail-Followup-To" is a cleaner solution. Oh, I agree that a header specifically for this reason is a much better solution. However, until such time as Mail-Followup-To becomes an effective solution, I plan on including a "Reply-To" heade

Re: Abusing CC:

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, at 11:21pm, Bob Bell wrote: >> If you prefer to not get any 'private' replies, you could always set your >> reply-to to the list address... > > The problem here is that attempts at private replies will grab the list > address [0]. Any message sent to the list address is no

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, at 3:20pm, Greg Kettmann wrote: > Any thoughts on sites that might host this for a month or so? What, IBM doesn't have a web server you can use? ;-) (J/K) > We assume (dangerous word) that Linux is used far more on Thinkpads than > our current shipping numbers (very, ver

Re: Abusing CC:

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, at 2:26pm, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > That also means that if that person CC's me directly when they post that > message, I will get a second copy. Yah. I call that "List Header Cancer", because the "Cc" header in a thread grows larger and larger as everyone who has ever p

Re: dinner

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, at 8:11pm, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > BTW, "verification" (which is involved with actually identifying the truth > of some matter - check the etymology) is almost entirely unrelated to > whether some news outlet has decided to repeat some story. *cough* That was kind of my

Re: Dinner

On 9 Jul 2002, at 5:24pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote: >> Is there independent verification of that somewhere? > > I am 99% certain I heard this story on NHPR. I definitely heard it on > the radio one morning. > > I also believe that I heard it on TV too. Yah, and I heard Elvis is alive, and work

Re: Dinner

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, at 4:26pm, Matthew J. Brodeur wrote: >While I'm at a loss for better suggestions, I would like to point > everyone to a recent article about the Grand Buffet: > http://www.1590.com/Stories/0,1413,222%257E23677%257E685791,00.html Is there independent verification of that

Re: Dinner

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, at 3:46pm, Ed Lawson wrote: >>Is everyone open to meeting again at the buffet restaurant on Amherst St >> again? > > What is name of restaurant? The name of the restaurant is either "Grand Buffet" or "American Buffet", depending on which sign you read or which person you as

Re: Dinner

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, at 7:19pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok, now to throw out the question of where we are going to meet to eat > before the meeting. Which is, of course, the really important question. ;-) > Is everyone open to meeting again at the buffet restaurant on Amherst St > again? Or

Re: Enlightenment and key bindings

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, at 9:56am, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > I upgraded one of my RH 6.2 home systems to RH 72+up2dateness, and > Enlightenment is doing something funky with a couple of my key bindings. I found that "funky" appeared to be a design goal for Enlightenment, which is why I switch

Re: virus information

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, at 1:40pm, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > I don't know why Derek mentioned my email address in the body of his > message, or why his message was (apparently) distributed via the GNHLUG > list. I do happen to be an AT&T customer but neither the IP address nor > the virus-laden tran

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, at 7:46pm, Bayard R. Coolidge wrote: > And, to bring all this back on topic, I'm still trying to figure out why > folks are straining to retrofit the OpenSSH patches onto Red Hat 6.2. Speak for youself. :-) We (meaing the company I work for, collectively) are not straini

Re: Corporate IT policy (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, at 12:46am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In other words, if I'm not requesting any assistance from corp IT .. Paul, I would expect you, of all people, not to take that stance. You and I both know that simply connecting a system to a network involves it in the whole support ta

Re: Corporate IT policy (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On 7 Jul 2002, at 11:35pm, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > On the machine sitting on my desk to do my daily work, I *do* have control > over it, no matter what it is running. I see no problem with a policy > that I can support myself, so I'll use Linux. I assume from context that you would have no beef

Re: Corporate IT policy (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On 7 Jul 2002, at 9:26pm, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > The people saying that they should be able to run whatever they want *ARE* > the IT department. It seemed obvious to me that that is not the case. If they were the IT department, the IT department would not be telling them to do something t

Corporate IT policy (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, at 5:58pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hmmm, I say: "You hired me to do a job and for my expertise required to > do that job..." I find your stance rather hypocritical, given the involved and heated debate that once went on in this very forum with regard to whether or not us

Re: Multi-NIC routing...

On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, at 8:59am, Ken Ambrose wrote: > Now I understand that having more than one default gateway is... weird, > and, usually, means that you're running a routing protocol such as IGRP or > somesuch. But what if you're not? The kernel router works by finding entries in the routing

Re: package management, etc. (was Re: Debian flamewar reborn)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 12:20pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: > Missing from both right now, I think, is the ability to say that a > particular package is recommended, but not required (does dpkg do this?) Debian's system does do this. A package can be "Required", "Recommended", or "Suggested". It i

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On 3 Jul 2002, at 11:43am, Cole Tuininga wrote: > We have a couple RH boxes around here, one of which is 7.2. I tried doing > exactly this, and it began to complain about missing some rpm rpms? I > couldn't figure out how to fulfill the dependency? That's odd. What RPMs was it complaining ab

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 9:12am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Right, but RedHat still hasn't released the code to their up2date server > right? No, nor do they plan to. Red Hat considers their update server system to be an intellectual property asset and a value-added service. However, the up2da

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 8:42am, Rich Payne wrote: > We do paint with a broad brush stroak don't we. Yes, and I want to apologize for the tone of my messages in this thread yesterday. While everything I said had a basis in real opinions and experience, I went a little over the top with the sarca

Re: please remove me

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 7:58pm, Rick Barr wrote: > Could someone please remove me from this list. Majordomo is not allowing me > to remove myself. You can contact the list manager via <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. I recommend doing that; Mark may miss your message to the general list. -- Ben Scott <[E

Re: windowing systems

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 7:37pm, Tom Rauschenbach wrote: > What GUI do you folks recommend. I'd rather not be trapped in KDE or > Gnome. Is there a standard/accepted GUI that C++ people write to ? Is it > portable to Motif, KDE, Gnome ? Heh. "Standard GUI" is an oxymoron. :-) Motif is ANS

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 7:33pm, John Abreau wrote: >> One issue with cygwin is setting up a user id. I was not able to change >> cygwin's user id on my win2k system at work. It defaults to administrator. > > That's right, I had forgotten about that (haven't had to touch Windows in > ages). It was

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 3:36pm, mike ledoux wrote: > I do as well, but I still ran into trouble; when statically linked with > 0.9.5a, PuTTY couldn't connect, when statically linked with 0.9.6 > everything works as expected. Unfortunately, we do have several windows > users here that need to be ab

Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On 2 Jul 2002, at 2:24pm, Cole Tuininga wrote: > Step 1) apt-get update > Step 2) apt-get -u upgrade Well, Red Hat nicely provides the "up2date" utility, which does the same thing, in one less step: Step 1) up2date -u The problem here is that Red Hat Linux 6.2 does not include OpenSSH at

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 1:56pm, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > Closer, but no SEE-gar (as Albert would say): > > auth2-pam.c:146: `__func__' undeclared (first use in this function) All I can say is, I've built it from SRPM several times, and even went back and did it when this thread first sta

Re: master-slave DHCP?

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 4:33pm, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > Does anybody know if it's possible to have a DHCP config that positions a > local representative (server) on each of several isolated LAN segments ... When you say "segment", do you really mean separate IP subnets, with routers between t

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 10:43am, mike ledoux wrote: > (OpenSSL 0.9.5a is partially supported, but some ciphers (SSH protocol 1 > Blowfish included) do not work correctly.) Ah. No wonder I never noticed, I use Protocol 2 in my configuration files. :-) -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL P

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 10:21am, mike ledoux wrote: > Well, I've built 3.4p1 RPMs for RH6.2 using the SRPM provided by the > OpenSSH folks, no problems. You need openssl 0.9.6 and openssl-devel > 0.9.6 ... It also "works for me" with the openssl 0.95a package from Red Hat 6.2 errata. -- Ben S

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 10:24am, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: >> rpm --rebuild name-of-source-rpm-file > > Nice advice, but doesn't work; the build fails with cipher.c not finding a > few EVP_CIPH_* symbols. Ummm... oh, yeah, duh. *forehead slap* You need to add a define. Like this:

Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, at 9:38am, Thomas M. Albright wrote: > Can anybody help me find it? Or will I need to futz around with the SRPMs > to make it work. Building an RPM from source is pathetically easy. Simple execute: rpm --rebuild name-of-source-rpm-file You will find the resulti

Re: Linux OS kernel question

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 12:42pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: > IOW, with the speed of CPUs today, does a hardware-specific chip really > have any practical functional benefit (ignoring cost, which is not a > functional benefit) over a more generalized one, for any of these > applications? Yes. Res

Re: Masqueraded SSH connection timeouts?

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, at 4:27pm, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > ... once I've established SSH sessions from machines behind my firewall to > certain remote machines, they die (pretty much to the second) after two > hours if I just leave them idle. In order to make masquerading happen, the firewall h

NO MEETING tonight (26 Jun 2002)

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 3:46pm, Ganesan M wrote: > Is there a meeting today? The meeting originally scheduled for Wed 26 June 2002 has been reschedule for 10 July 2002. The calendar at http://www.gnhlug.org/lug_cal/month.php?date=20020701 has been updated to reflect this. -- Ben Sc

Re: Linux OS kernel question

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 10:01am, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > However, this is activity that all modern processors are already engaged > in for the purposes of cache management and such (Dcache, Icache, TLB, > etc) so rigging these subsystems to generate an exception whenever a > (relatively cheap,

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 10:43am, Rich Cloutier wrote: > Then you have never been confronted with the "blank stare of death." Sure have. But the thing is, I can keep that manager busy and not doing anything else until I get service. Eventually, they give. It's cheaper to give me a refund than

Re: Linux OS kernel question

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 9:19am, Michael O'Donnell wrote: >> People make such a huge deal about something being implemented in >> "hardware" vs "software". In most cases, the only difference >> between them is that hardware is harder to change. > > In this watchpoint case I fail to see how the HW

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

This is getting *really* off-topic, but what the heck... On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 8:39am, Ben Boulanger wrote: >> Being able to physically go somewhere, see a manager, and tie him or her up >> with your problem until it is solved is worlds better than a phone call. > > So then web vendors need

Re: Linux OS kernel question

On 26 Jun 2002, at 9:28am, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > The hardware *does not* run in the following way: > > again: > is the PC (program counter) at a breakpoint? if so, > run the instruction at the PC > goto again; That was actually my point. The OP complained about the debugger ha

Re: Linux OS kernel question

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 8:05am, Tom Rauschenbach wrote: >> You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads and >> writes to a certain memory location already, right? > > Sure, but they usually do it by inserting an illegal instruction at the > beginning of each statement boundar

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 12:27pm, Rich C wrote: >> I'm not overly fond of Best Buy, but they do offer the convience of >> being local, which provides me the ability to go and beat someone >> over the head should I need to :) > > Which can also be done effectively by phone, especially if you use th

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 1:02pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you had the choice between buying off the web or from the local BestBuy > for a slightly higher price, what would you do? I would research the web vendor to find out their past history and expected longevity. I would seek opinions f

Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On 25 Jun 2002, at 9:18am, Kevin D. Clark wrote: >> Ever. NFS's history of piss-poor file locking means a shared mailspool is >> a recipe for disaster in any kind of heterogeneous environment. > > NFS file locking has gotten better over the years. Right. The problem is that not every OS rel

Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 8:45am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ... you shouldn't allow NFS access to your mail spool ... Ever. NFS's history of piss-poor file locking means a shared mailspool is a recipe for disaster in any kind of heterogeneous environment. It might work if your favorite implem

QuickTime (was: What do people use...)

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 6:02pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I do occasionally use the Quicktime plugin from the CrossOver Plugins pkg, > but I just heard that Xine will be supporting this in an up coming release I am told that QuickTime itself is actually reasonable open and well-documented, but

Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 6:02pm, Jerry Feldman wrote: > In this case, that's part of the problem. But, what incentive was there for > Win16 developers to go to Win32. Win95 did a much poorer job of running Win16 applications than OS/2 did. Not that Win95 did any better running Win32 applicati

Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 5:36pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, but you know, I'd really like to be able to use (ex)mh as an > interface to an IMAP server. I've said this before: The Right Thing here would be to do this as a filesystem driver. Said filesystem driver would read an IMAP server

Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 5:04pm, Jerry Feldman wrote: > Products like these provide people with access to products that are > otherwise not available (a good thing). > BUT! > For those of us who know about FX32, they also do not provide any > incentive for the software vendor to port to nat

Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 4:19pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: >> Basically, imagine a person who: >> >> - Wants or has to keep his mail on an IMAP mail server >> - Cannot run procmail on the server >> - Wants the filtering capabilities of procmail > > Isn't this what Netscape and Outbreak do wh

Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 4:07pm, Rich Payne wrote: > That's one way, however you'd be transfering the message to the client, > figuring out where to put it and then sending it back again. What's would > be even better would be just to move the message on the imap server. Yes > you'd still have

Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On 24 Jun 2002, at 3:19pm, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > Could you provide clarification as to where you are proposing to store > this? On the IMAP server itself? I am envisioning a procmail work-a-like program that runs on an IMAP client machine, but accesses and stores mail on an IMAP server. B

procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 2:18pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ... now I'm fetchmailing and procmailing my work e-mail as well. H... something just occurred to me. ("I've got an idea, a'forming in my brain") It would be really nice if one could "apply" a set of procmail recipes to an IM

Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 2:09pm, Matthew J. Brodeur wrote: > It required finding the power switch in any case. Sounds just like Windows to me. ;-) -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views o

Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 1:03pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The CodeWeavers Crossover Plugin package will allow you to properly deal > with both Windows Media Player and Quicktime content under Linux. It is > not open source/free by any definition, and it costs $30 or so, but it > works quite well.

Re: Question about postings....

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 5:10pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I replied to a post this morning. I have not yet seen it arrive to the > list yet. I saw a reply from your address, with a subject of "What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?", this morning. Is that the message you are

Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

On 24 Jun 2002, at 11:41am, Paul Iadonisi wrote: >> George Orwell's mistake was assuming that the threat of totalitarianism >> was from government. 1984 is arriving twenty years late. > > Here, here! I just had this discussion with my brother over the > weekend. What we're heading to, (or ra

Re: Argh! Mailman, please!

On 24 Jun 2002, at 11:47am, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Can we *please* switch to mailman for the list someday? Majordomo can handle bounces quite well. The configuration of the list server is a political problem, not a technical one. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in t

Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 11:00am, Bayard Coolidge USG wrote: > There is an interesting article about this in The Register, though: > http://www.theregus.com/content/6/25325.html I find Shoutcast's statement on the matter to be the most unbiased I have seen yet. Open a

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