Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-11 Thread Rich Payne
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Bayard R. Coolidge wrote: So, if they could at least offer a model that can auto-install SuSE 8.0, that did not have any Microsoft product on it, I'd be very interested. I think Bayard hits upon a very good point here. If IBM can't justify selling Linux pre-loaded on

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-11 Thread Tom Buskey
Rich Payne said: On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Bayard R. Coolidge wrote: So, if they could at least offer a model that can auto-install SuSE 8.0, that did not have any Microsoft product on it, I'd be very interested. I think Bayard hits upon a very good point here. If IBM can't justify selling

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-11 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly: 1) I refuse to pay full price for a piece of equipment that I'm not certain is 100% Linux compatible. (Winmodems+NonGPL Linmodem drivers != 100% Linux compatible in my book.) Why? You

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-11 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 11:31, Derek D. Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Paul Iadonisi hath spake thusly: 1) I refuse to pay full price for a piece of equipment that I'm not certain is 100% Linux compatible. (Winmodems+NonGPL Linmodem

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-11 Thread Bill Sconce
Derek D. Martin writes: Why? You have a driver that works well, so why not use it? Why should this be considered not Linux compatible? I would agree that having a free driver would be better, but I don't understand the sentiment of throwing out good software (or at least usable software)

Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread Greg Kettmann
Perhaps some of you read some recent press indicating the IBM is no longer supporting Linux on Thinkpads. This is not completely true, but certainly true enough to catch mine, and some likeminded peer's, attention. IBM fully intends to support Linux across our product line but, due to lack of

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Greg Kettmann wrote: We'd like to take the results and show them to IBM corporate and see if we can convince them to reconsider. We assume (dangerous word) that Linux is used far more on Thinkpads than our current shipping numbers (very, very low) would imply, but we're

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Greg Kettmann wrote: My questions to you folks are twofold. Are you interested in Linux on Thinkpads? Are you kidding? That's all I run on mine -- and it frosted me when I bought mine from IBM last year that I had to get Winblows preinstalled on it. :-( -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar,

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread bscott
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, at 3:20pm, Greg Kettmann wrote: Any thoughts on sites that might host this for a month or so? What, IBM doesn't have a web server you can use? ;-) (J/K) We assume (dangerous word) that Linux is used far more on Thinkpads than our current shipping numbers (very, very

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread Ken Ambrose
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [OT comment: gee, Ben, that reply-to sure works well. ;-)] - Many Linux users like to buy pre-owned equipment, and install Linux in an after market configuration. - Many Linux users are both computer-savvy and picky, and thus want to do

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 22:22, Ken Ambrose wrote: [snip] Bottom line: Linux folk usually buy hardware because they like (*gasp*) the -hardware-. Not because of how easy the software is to use. Linux may one day gain a substantial foothold on the desktop, but it hasn't happened yet, and it

Re: Linux on IBM Laptops / Survey Questions

2002-07-10 Thread Bayard R. Coolidge
Greg - Thank you very much for the info on the Thinkpads and Linux. I didn't log in all day Wednesday, so my response is more of a rejoinder to the other excellent comments that have already been posted to the net. I just took the early retirement package from HP (having worked at DEC since