[OFF-TOPIC] More on Microsoft Win32 Shatter attacks

2002-08-09 Thread Benjamin Scott
Since the original message generated such a discussion on GNHLUG, I think the following new information should be posted here. I am mainly concerned about propagation of untrue FUD by the Linux community against MS-Windows. If you do not care about MS-Windows, stop reading now. I encoura

Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is this thing on? :) I haven't seen any traffic from this list lately. I just discovered that the list address had changed, and now I wonder if that's not (at least partly) why... I also feel I'd be remiss to not point out to the list maintainers

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread jbd
Sigh. I'm have the impression that there is no secure software out there. (And if there was, it would be illegal!) So far as I'm aware, all the other mailing list managers (and all the MTAs) have security flaws too - as well as the internet in general. So I try to use the lesser of the combine

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Ed Lawson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Sigh. I'm have the impression that there is no secure software out there. > >Quoting "Derek D. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >>... >>I also feel I'd be remiss to not point out to the list maintainers >>that GNU Mailman has a long history of security vulnerabilities

Gnome root window...

2002-08-09 Thread Ken Ambrose
Hey, folks: I wanna change my "wallpaper" from inside a script. Back in the olde days, I'd just fire up xv, and use the -root parameter. However, now with Gnome, I apparently also need Gnome to know that the root window has changed. The program ee has what seems would do the trick -- the "--roo

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: > Or are you just trying to fan the flames of the security vulnerability > thread? :-) I didn't know there were any flames... Je ne reçois pas! ;-) Actually I just wanted to point out that if you're going to use mailman, you should

Clustering

2002-08-09 Thread Ben Boulanger
Hey everyone, I'm looking to set up a (beowulf?) cluster here for grins and I'm trying to find the easiest way of doing that. I've gone to scyld.com and found that they don't let you download the iso, you have to buy it (for $2.00) from linux central. This is perfectly fine, as far as

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: > (cc:'d in case your list subscription is borken.) Hmm, It does seem to be... I have only received messages that have been CC'd to me. I.E. I never received my own post... Bruce? Any clues?

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: > >Another reason to like Debian and note the browser affected. > > Great, so now IE is a cracker utility as well :) Erm, when wasn't it? - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Gnome root window...

2002-08-09 Thread John Abreau
Ken Ambrose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey, folks: I wanna change my "wallpaper" from inside a script. Back in > the olde days, I'd just fire up xv, and use the -root parameter. However, > now with Gnome, I apparently also need Gnome to know that the root window > has changed. I'm not sure

test msg - PLEASE IGNORE

2002-08-09 Thread mod+gnhlug
Sorry for the noise - !@#$%!!! email problems... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread bscott
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, at 2:11pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ITYM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Well that may in fact work, however the web interface disagrees: > > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss We already had this discussion -- yesterday! :-)

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, I just checked the archives, and I have not received a single message since the cutover. I did receive the mailman message indicating that I was subscribed, which I promptly deleted. If there were instructions for me to follow in it, I didn't, s

Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread bscott
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, at 1:42pm, Ed Lawson wrote: >> I also feel I'd be remiss to not point out to the list maintainers that >> GNU Mailman has a long history of security vulnerabilities. The version >> currently in use, 2.0.9, is known to be vulnerable to a number of >> cross-site scripting attack

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Rich C
Why can't you people just blindly follow directions? :o) The real address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] You were told to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both work Now. [EMAIL PROTECTED] will CONTINUE to work in the event of a future server move, or some other hardware/software reconfiguration. You don't need to

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Ed Lawson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I wish the Debian community would stop acting >like Debian is God's Gift to Linux! > > > > It is of course with some trepidation that I respond, but upon reading my post I am unable to discern what language therein could lead a person to reasonably conclude th

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Bayard R. Coolidge
>>> they are my last words. Coming from a lawyer, that's incredible! :-) Sounds like you're moving for a summary judgement :-) 73, Bayard ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread Tom Buskey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:42:56 EDT >Ed Lawson said: > > >>Another reason to like Debian and note the browser affected. > >Great, so now IE is a cracker utility as well :) What if we encode the pages (with ROT-13) and then charge Microsoft with distribut

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Ed Lawson
Bayard R. Coolidge wrote: > >Coming from a lawyer, that's incredible! :-) > > > > Too good to be true of course. Actually I have serious reservations with Debian because of the time that passes between versions. No doubt this is due to the time and effort it takes to lug t

Re: Gnome root window...

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:54:15 PDT Ken Ambrose said: >Does anyone know either: > >a) a utility to do what I want to do, or >b) failing that, where I should look to write the code? Preferably in > Perl (I know there are Perl hooks in Gnome). How about 'xsetroot'. I believe thi

Re: Clustering

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:06:51 EDT Ben Boulanger said: >Hey everyone, > I'm looking to set up a (beowulf?) cluster here for grins and I'm >trying to find the easiest way of doing that. I've gone to scyld.com and >found that they don't let you download the iso, you have to

Re: Clustering

2002-08-09 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you're not afraid of Debian, FAI can be used to install a Beowulf > cluster, at least, that's what it was originally designed for. Okay, I'll keep that in mind if I can't find anything for redhat. That's what we use already here, so if possible

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 15:24, Ed Lawson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I wish the Debian community would stop acting > >like Debian is God's Gift to Linux! > > > > > > > > > It is of course with some trepidation that I respond, but upon reading > my post I am unable to discer

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: 09 Aug 2002 15:47:10 EDT Paul Iadonisi said: >After hours of research, he gave up and finally sent me some email. Is this because he couldn't find the wu-ftp home page? Have you introduced him to Freshmeat yet :) >Here is a quote from him as someone who hasn't had all tha

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:42:56 EDT Ed Lawson said: >Another reason to like Debian and note the browser affected. Great, so now IE is a cracker utility as well :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 15:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated: 09 Aug 2002 15:47:10 EDT > Paul Iadonisi said: > > >After hours of research, he gave up and finally sent me some email. > > Is this because he couldn't find the wu-ftp home page? Have you > introduced him to Freshme

Re: Ben's Debian tirade [was Re: Hello? ]

2002-08-09 Thread Ed Lawson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > So they had a sercurity advisory. Don't all major >distributions do this? Subscribe to SF and you don't need to bother >with any one distro's security advisory. > > > > I suggest looking at the various security announcements from the various distosconcernin

Testing gnhlug subscription

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please ignore... - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
Generally, if a product is good and I have a need for it and the price is reasonable, I don't mind paying. However, most Microsoft products IMHO are quite overpriced. I also try not to get into the disto wars. I prefer SuSE. I used to use Debian, but gave up after a while. On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:

Re: Debian flamewar

2002-08-09 Thread Andrew W. Gaunt
I have just one infallible thing to say re: Debian and "other distributions" THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE FINAL [DEBIAN] SOLUTION AND IT WILL BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT WILL BE PURE AND FREE OF THAT POLLUTION AND CORRUPTION THAT COMES FROM DIVERGENT IDEAS AND FOREIGN INFLUENCES IT WILL TRULY BE THE MASTER

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:25:55 EDT "Jerry Feldman" said: >Generally, if a product is good and I have a need for it and the price is >reasonable, I don't mind paying. However, most Microsoft products IMHO are >quite overpriced. Right, but their products also don't fit the first

subscription problem resolved

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After unsub-ing and re-sub-ing, I am receiving e-mail from the list again. Not sure what caused the problem... FYI, I changed the address from which I subscribed to the list. If someone who uses PGP/GPG would let me know if they have problems verif

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
That may also be true. I pay for MSIE, but it's one of the cases where the price is right. On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Right, but their products also don't fit the first criteria you > stated for being willing to pay for software ;) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Testing gnhlug subscription

2002-08-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
Don't we routinely do that Derek :-). Actually, check your list options to see if your account is set to nomail. On 9 Aug 2002 at 16:12, Derek D. Martin wrote: > Please ignore... -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key

Re: Testing gnhlug subscription

2002-08-09 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Jerry Feldman hath spake thusly: > Don't we routinely do that Derek :-). :) Of course as Mr. Brodeur pointed out, it's hard for one to ignore the message when one is being told to do so in the message... Oh well. ;-) > Act

Re: Hello?

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:43:05 EDT "Tom Buskey" said: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >> >>In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:42:56 EDT >>Ed Lawson said: >> >> >>>Another reason to like Debian and note the browser affected. >> >>Great, so now IE is a cracker utility as well :) > >

Ben's Debian tirade [was Re: Hello? ]

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:42:56 EDT Ed Lawson said: >Another reason to like Debian and note the browser affected. As I re-read the original message, I'm assuming that this is the line which set Ben off. The question I have, is what does Debian have to do with anything. So they

Re: test msg - PLEASE IGNORE

2002-08-09 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:45:39 EDT Michael O'Donnell said: >Yah, that's what I thought at first, too, but >the headers in this msg are formatted exactly >the same as the ones in the failing msgs - do >you see anything that looks b0rken? No. It could be mailman being a p.i.t.a.

Re: Gnome root window...

2002-08-09 Thread Bill Mullen
I have a similar, but somewhat more involved, problem regarding painting the root window in Gnome, and have unfortunately not yet come up with a suitable solution, so perhaps an appeal to the group will help. In response to some interest expressed in alt.os.linux.mandrake, I have lately thrown

Elitism considered harmful (was: Debian flamewar)

2002-08-09 Thread bscott
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, at 3:24pm, Ed Lawson wrote: > It is of course with some trepidation that I respond, but upon reading my > post I am unable to discern what language therein could lead a person to > reasonably conclude that I have espoused or acted in a manner which > suggests "Debian is God's G

Re: Elitism considered harmful (was: Debian flamewar)

2002-08-09 Thread Ben Boulanger
Rather than dilute this thread worse, I thought I'd send you a personal email on this letting you know that I completely agree with your statements here. This was the heart of my objection to the microsoft security issue and here it is again, not even one week later. I'm glad I'm not the only pe

Re: Debian flamewar (was: Hello?)

2002-08-09 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 15:24, Ed Lawson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > I wish the Debian community would stop acting > >like Debian is God's Gift to Linux! > > > > > > > > > It is of course with some trepidation that I respond, but upon reading > my post I am unable to discer