Re: [OT] End-user uses for x86-64 (was: Why are still not at 64 bits)

2007-02-18 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 2/18/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That the Linux community pushing 'You now have choice' breaks down when it comes to the general public. And that perhaps we can actually learn from WHY people prefer Windows in general. My experience (from putting GNOME/KDE boxes in front

Re: [OT] End-user uses for x86-64 (was: Why are still not at 64 bits)

2007-02-18 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/18/07, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/18/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That the Linux community pushing 'You now have choice' breaks down when it comes to the general public. And that perhaps we can actually learn from WHY people prefer Windows in general. My

Re: [OT] End-user uses for x86-64 (was: Why are still not at 64 bits)

2007-02-18 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ok, now sit her down in front of a formatted hard drive, :-D O.K., but let's talk oranges and oranges (I almost said apples and Apples(R), but that would have been confusing). It has been a long time since I installed a Microsoft product from a bootable OEM disk, but it was not pleasant.

Re: [OT] End-user uses for x86-64 (was: Why are still not at 64 bits)

2007-02-18 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 2/18/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/18/07, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/18/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That the Linux community pushing 'You now have choice' breaks down when it comes to the general public. And that perhaps we can

Re: Why are still not at 64 bits [was Can't figure out Firefox Plugin Requirement ]

2007-02-18 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/17/07, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget that real Engineers (Professional Engineers) sign their work and take responsibility for failures (reputation, money, etc). Not all real engineers need a PE. Civil Engineers do. Some Mechanical Engineers do. There's a

Re: Why are still not at 64 bits [was Can't figure out Firefox Plugin Requirement ]

2007-02-18 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 2/18/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/17/07, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget that real Engineers (Professional Engineers) sign their work and take responsibility for failures (reputation, money, etc). Not all real engineers need a PE. In some states

Re: Oops. And a brainteaser. Re: The Hosstraders retire

2007-02-18 Thread Michael ODonnell
grep -in hosstrad ~/Mail/...gnhlug.x/* Perhaps the shell did not expand the file names in dated order You're right about that, but that would only be part of the problem; MH msgs are stored in files with simple numeric names like 1, 2, 423, , etc, but although the numeric ordering of those

Boston Linux InstallFest XXIV Feb 24, 2007

2007-02-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
Boston Linux Installfest XXIV When: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM Where: MIT Building E-51, Room 061 Parking: parking is available in front of the building. What you need to bring: Your computer, monitor, power strips and your Linux distributions. We do have copies of some

Re: [OT] End-user uses for x86-64 (was: Why are still not at 64 bits)

2007-02-18 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/17/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/17/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/17/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: business pixie dust, we'd all be using Amiga's. Sure, the i386 brought a number of other advantages to the table, chief among them

And the prize goes to... Re: Oops. And a brainteaser. Re: The Hosstraders retire

2007-02-18 Thread Bill Sconce
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:05:43 -0500 Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:18:41 -0500 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't [grep -in hosstrad ~/Mail/...gnhlug.x/*] yield *every* line which has Hosstraders in it? -i = case insensitive

Re: [OT] End-user uses for x86-64

2007-02-18 Thread Ric Werme
Ben Scott wrote: Such as? Serious question; I'm at most a very casual student of micro-architectures, so I don't know. I enjoy learning, though. So educate me. :) Hehehe. And Windowz is also sometimes credited for the success of the Pentium. Does that define it as a killer app?

Re: And the prize goes to... Re: Oops. And a brainteaser. Re: The Hosstraders retire

2007-02-18 Thread Michael ODonnell
Tip: there were LOTS of files, each one with a filename of a string of decimal digits, the values of which grew by +1 with each successive message as it arrived (and they had not been sorted or renamed). For instance, the messages bridging New Year's 2006 were: snip

Lojban talk slides now online, Re: SLUG / GNHLUG Durham - Mon 9 Oct - Lojban

2007-02-18 Thread aluminumsulfate
Greetings, all... The slideshow which I presented at the SLUG meeting back in October has been updated and is now available online. The URL for the slides is: http://peapod.podzone.net:1234/hive/lojban-thing Enjoy! Dave Montenegro

Re: And the prize goes to... Re: Oops. And a brainteaser. Re: The Hosstraders retire

2007-02-18 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/18/07, Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. The prize has yet to be awarded. Ben's explanation is close, but his wording (including that perhaps) makes me hold out for one or two details. Well, I'm not really familiar with MH in practice; I've read a FAQ and a web page or two, is

Early-to-middle IBM-PC history (was: End-user uses for x86-64)

2007-02-18 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/18/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had VGA on my '286. And Minix and Windows 3.0. I installed an 8-bit ISA Western Digital Paradise VGA card in my Tandy 1000 SL, which had an 8088 and 640 KB of RAM. There was no way in hell I was going to run MS Windows, but PC/GEOS looked a

[OT] Early-to-middle IBM-PC history (was: End-user uses for x86-64)

2007-02-18 Thread Michael ODonnell
Apparently, you never had to fight to get 3 KB more out of conventional memory, to load just one more TSR or that much of a bigger program. RAM was indeed precious, leading to some extreme maneuvers. One of the cooler TSRs I used early-on (around 1983) was a driver that implemented a RAMdisk

Re: And the prize goes to... Re: Oops. And a brainteaser.

2007-02-18 Thread Ric Werme
P.S. The prize has yet to be awarded. Ben's explanation is close, but his wording (including that perhaps) makes me hold out for one or two details. Tip: there were LOTS of files, each one with a filename of a string of decimal digits, the values of which grew by +1 with each successive

Re: Early-to-middle IBM-PC history (was: End-user uses for x86-64)

2007-02-18 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/18/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/18/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS-DOS was, is, and always will be limited to the 1 MB address space of the original 8086-based IBM-PC design, in 64 KB segments at a time. That's further eaten into by space reserved for