Re: Looking for an IP camera

2007-02-27 Thread Scott Garman
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Howdy Dave, > > I have a little TRENDnet camera (model TV-IP200W) that I got a while > back. Built-in web server and completely tunable from the web server. > Works great with Linux, as it supports pictures through a Java applet in > the web browser. > > It also has co

QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Ted Roche
Passing on this information because I just recently let everyone know what a good store it was. Got an announcement this morning that the Waltham store of Quantumbooks is closed. The original Kendall Square store remains open. Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:41:30 -0500 Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Passing on this information because I just recently let everyone know > what a good store it was. Got an announcement this morning that the > Waltham store of Quantumbooks is closed. The original Kendall Square > stor

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Star
At this point, the subject line has become something of an in-joke, although I will concede I may be the only one "in" on it. Oh no! Actually, I should have known better than to be sipping coffee while opening this thread... Ah well, that's why there's a stack of keyboards over there... An

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Lussier
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Didn't you at least like my Star Wars parody? I worked hard on that... :) Yes, very much... You fsck'ing Nazi! For anyone who doesn't know or isn't aware, Ben and I are good friends, have known each other forever, and nothing above is meant to

Re: General dependencies discussion (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/26/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/26/07, Bayard Coolidge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I was referring to was the quagmire of interdependencies in some > packages that make it difficult/impractical to update to new versions > conveniently. Libraries enable code re-use.

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Tom Buskey
Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. Is anyone else doing multiples? I'm running: Xubuntu on my laptop (I wanted to learn some debianisms) WinXP on the family PC MacOSX on the family Macintosh Fedora on my home server (I grew up w/ RedHat/Mandrake after starting w/ SLS/Slackwa

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Thomas Charron
On 2/27/07, Star <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Next on the adgenda... Gnome is so much better than KDE because... Oh sure. Ben spends a half an hour crafting 'the perfect intro' to flame city, and what do you respond with? A one liner.. Shoulda known part II would suck. :-) -- -- Thomas __

Re: Gentoo

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Lussier
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Emerging OpenOffice took me about 3 hours, thats on a dual-core dual >> proc Opteron 2800SE with 4 gigs of ram. > > Yikes. I tremble to think of how long it would take on the 1200 > MHz, 256 MB box I was running at home eight months ago. Still, that's

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Just Debian at home & work, and one of the FC's on a webserver... and the FC will go away shortly, I don't have enough knowledge of weird corners to keep it uncrufted under the onslaught of "hey I'm installing foo" from the guy I was sharing the server with, who's just competent enough to be dange

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/27/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. I just *complain* about one distribution. ;-) I use a bunch of 'em. I still have that Debian install on my main PC at home, tho I'm not using it right now. I've also got FC5 (soon to be d

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 08:59 am, Tom Buskey wrote: > Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. Is anyone else doing > multiples? Debian Stable on my desktop. Debian Stable on my laptop. Debian Stable on home firewall/router/VPN endpoint. Kubuntu on wife's laptop and Win2K on wife's

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/27/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/27/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. I just *complain* about one distribution. ;-) I use a bunch of 'em. Which means you have a basis for your complaints, having used more

OT: Geeks and ninjahood?

2007-02-27 Thread Drew Van Zandt
A bit off-topic, but you guys are the only group I can easily collect anecdotal evidence from on this, and google search failed to satisfy my curiousity... Note that I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I refer to it as "ninjahood", but has anyone else noticed a high correlation between engineers

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:59 am, Ben Scott wrote: > LVM (which I use extensively) is really nice for trying multiple > distributions. Virtualization (VMware, Xen, etc.) is making that > practice obsolete, but at least right now, IME, a VM is still not the > same as running something "on the

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!

2007-02-27 Thread Charles Farinella
Tom Buskey wrote: Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. Is anyone else doing multiples? Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my personal machines Slackware 9, 10, Centos, RedHat 7, 9, and OpenBSD (ppc & x86) on various servers along with some XP (where necessary) and Mac OS X. I am still looking

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Travis Roy
OSX On my Macbook (with a WinXP Parallels VM for work stuff) Ubuntu Server on my colo server Ubuntu Server on my home server (file/print) KnoppMyth on my new MythTV box in the basement and a mix of CentOS and Fedora at work I also have an old Dell laptop for a "backup" that runs WinXP. On Feb

Re: OT: Geeks and ninjahood?

2007-02-27 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Drew Van Zandt writes: > 80% of the students at the dojo > I go to are engineers or programmers, and about half the > engineer-types I mention aikido around say something like "Hmmm I'm > interested in that, where do you go to learn that?" Speaking for myself, I thought it was interesting that a

Re: OT: Geeks and ninjahood?

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Lussier
"Drew Van Zandt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Note that I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek when I refer to it as > "ninjahood", but has anyone else noticed a high correlation between > engineers/programmers and ninjahood? 80% of the students at the dojo > I go to are engineers or programmers, and a

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Lussier
Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Passing on this information because I just recently let everyone know > what a good store it was. Got an announcement this morning that the > Waltham store of Quantumbooks is closed. The original Kendall Square > store remains open. Bummer. I was a huge f

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!

2007-02-27 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/27/07, Charles Farinella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am still looking for "The One True Way". The One True Way is that There Is More Than One Way To Do It. (Even if you're not a Perl hacker.) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-disc

Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Brian Chabot
Yesterday I decided it was time to give Kubuntu 6.10 a try. Now the only system I can realistically reload the OS on at the moment is my laptop, so that's my guinea pig. (It is a Toshiba Satellite M45 S359) The online docs seem to indicate this should work: http://www.cantrip.org/toshiba-m45.htm

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:08:27 -0500 Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bummer. I was a huge fan of SoftPro when they were in Burlington, > more so when they opened the Marlboro store. Since I've been working > in Cambridge the last few years I've been going to Quantum and new > they'd be g

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!

2007-02-27 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/27/07, Charles Farinella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Buskey wrote: > Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. Is anyone else > doing multiples? Ubuntu/Kubuntu on my personal machines Slackware 9, 10, Centos, RedHat 7, 9, and OpenBSD (ppc & x86) on various servers along with

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/27/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yesterday I decided it was time to give Kubuntu 6.10 a try. Now the only system I can realistically reload the OS on at the moment is my laptop, so that's my guinea pig. (It is a Toshiba Satellite M45 S359) The online docs seem to indicate t

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jeff Macdonald
On 2/27/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Passing on this information because I just recently let everyone know > what a good store it was. Got an announcement this morning that the > Waltham store of Quantumbooks is closed. The original Kendal

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Tom Buskey
On 2/27/07, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:08:27 -0500 Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bummer. I was a huge fan of SoftPro when they were in Burlington, I used to go once a week. I worked just up the road at one point. I spoke to Rick (one of th

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Sarunas
Brian Chabot wrote: > Yesterday I decided it was time to give Kubuntu 6.10 a try. Now the > only system I can realistically reload the OS on at the moment is my > laptop, so that's my guinea pig. (It is a Toshiba Satellite M45 S359) > > The online docs seem to indicate this should work: > http:/

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:46:05 -0500 "Jeff Macdonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I bought my first computer book there, Rodney Zak's "Programming the Z80" > when I was maybe 12 years old? I do miss SoftPro very much. Unfortunately not enough of us remained as loyal customers. We actually had some

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Ted Roche
On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. Is anyone else doing multiples? Similar. FC6/Ubuntu LTS/WinXPPro on the primary laptop, OS X Tiger primary desktop, in-house servers running FC version x, CentOS. Commercial servers running

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!

2007-02-27 Thread Ted Roche
On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Ben Scott wrote: The One True Way is that There Is More Than One Way To Do It. So The One True Way is that there is No One True Way, hmm? Zen-like. Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gn

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!

2007-02-27 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 2/27/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > The One True Way is that There Is More Than One Way To Do It. So The One True Way is that there is No One True Way, hmm? Zen-like. No, perl-like (TOTWITTINOTW, translated as TMTOWTDI) jeff

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Steven W. Orr
> Today, the Internet is hurting many brick and mortar businesses. Additionally, the big book retailers, like Barnes and Noble, now carry a number of technical books. And, don't forget, the New England Mobile Book Fair in Newton also has a decent technical book selection with discounts. I just bo

Re: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back! (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
On 2/27/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > Most people seem to be doing just one distribution. Is anyone else > doing multiples? I've run a little bit of everything over the years, and enjoy tinkering with various things. Good for me, sin

Geek Multitools (was: The Debian Flamewar Strikes Back!)

2007-02-27 Thread kenta
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Tom Buskey wrote: Or computer geeks would carry a screwdriver for each size screw, allen wrenches, a knife, a hacksaw, pliers, regular wrenches, wire stripper, wire cutter, etc instead of a leatherman ;-) Ahh time to spawn a new off topic discussion! Leatherman? Gerber all

Re: Looking for an IP camera

2007-02-27 Thread Bruce Dawson
If you're interested, I've got both an Axis and a Panasonic on our website at http://www.milessmithfarm.net/ The Axis (StallCam) is fixed, whereas the Panasonic (NorthCam) is pan/tilt-able by the viewer. (You'll need to click on the images on the web site to get to the actual camera though - I

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Kjel Anderson
I've gone over to only using the alternate install cd. It seems much more stable. Kjel On 2/27/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/27/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yesterday I decided it was time to give Kubuntu 6.10 a try. Now the > only system I can realistica

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:55:06 -0500 (EST) "Steven W. Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just bought a bunch of books from Amazon. I used to buy from bookpool > but they charge shipping which effectively eliminates them from the > competition. I see *no* reason to go to a local bookstore to buy s

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/27/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I burned the CD, verified the burn and put it in the CDROM of the laptop and rebooted. Have you tried the CD in another system, just to make sure, for sure, that the CD is good? cp: unable to open '/root/var/log/': No such file or direc

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/27/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I guess the convenience of Amazon and B&N is just too great to compete with :( There's also the fact that, as more and more information becomes available on the 'net (both free and paid), traditional dead-tree books are becoming less vital.

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Lussier
"Steven W. Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just bought a bunch of books from Amazon. I used to buy from bookpool > but they charge shipping which effectively eliminates them from the > competition. I see *no* reason to go to a local bookstore to buy since > their prices don't even try to c

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Lussier
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There's also the fact that, as more and more information becomes > available on the 'net (both free and paid), traditional dead-tree > books are becoming less vital. I'm not suggesting printed books are > going to go away any time soon (that will probab

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Bill Mullen
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:46:05 -0500 "Jeff Macdonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/27/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Passing on this information because I just recently let everyone know > > > what a good store it was. Got an

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:41:23 -0500 Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Until the web-browser gets installed in the public restroom stall... This is being done in some places now :-) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9

Re: QuantumBooks Waltham is closed

2007-02-27 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:16:07 -0500 Bill Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Likewise. I bought my first two Linuxes at the Burlington one - Caldera > OpenLinux 2.2 first, Please send it back to the SCO Group and demand a refund :-) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user

Re: Ripping from CD to FLAC, and then transcoding to lossy (was: More on MP3 and open formats)

2007-02-27 Thread Jason Stephenson
Ben Scott wrote: On 2/26/07, Jason Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm already planing a nice utility for managing all of that, too. I'm starting to wonder if there isn't something out there already. I wrote my own collection of really bad hacks (shell and Perl scripts) to do this; I kn

Re: Looking for an IP camera

2007-02-27 Thread David Long
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 23:52 -0500, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Howdy Dave, > > I have a little TRENDnet camera (model TV-IP200W) that I got a while > back. Built-in web server and completely tunable from the web server. > Works great with Linux, as it supports pictures through a Java applet in > t

Re: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 25, 2007, at 17:22, Ben Scott wrote: However, the "build most things from source" solution is not without issues itself. It it slower than binary packages (imagine installing the first GNOME package this way -- please wait while we build the world from source). For a point of referenc

Re: More on MP3 and open formats

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 25, 2007, at 23:53, Nigel Stewart wrote: Anyone come across any other FLAC or Ogg oriented music stores online? You can get just about every Grateful Dead concert ever played in FLAC format. A friend of mine has a vertical file full of CD's and even wrote his own FLAC decoder to su

Re: The answer to the UNIX 32-bit time problem

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 26, 2007, at 19:08, Ben Scott wrote: Incidentally, Y2038 problem is going to hit way more than just 'nix systems. 'doze software uses that format extensively, too. (There's like 27 different system time mechanisms under 'doze, but that's one of them.) Any 30-year mortgage softwares

Re: General dependencies discussion (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 26, 2007, at 20:46, Nigel Stewart wrote: If all of this sounds deluded, I am relying on you all here to point out the show-stopping flaw... :-) I think it's a good idea. As a transition mechanism you might think about writing an RPM or deb filesystem. Taking the RPM instance: m

Re: OT: Geeks and ninjahood?

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 27, 2007, at 10:29, Drew Van Zandt wrote: 80% of the students at the dojo I go to are engineers or programmers, and about half the engineer-types I mention aikido around say something like "Hmmm I'm interested in that, where do you go to learn that?" (Woburn Aikikai) You probably have

Re: OT: Geeks and ninjahood?

2007-02-27 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> FWIW, I think most geeks frown upon the ninja ethic, at least FLOSS > geeks. Of course we all love realultimatepower.net . > I love sitting down with someone and having a beer. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org ht

Re: Ripping from CD to FLAC, and then transcoding to lossy (was: More on MP3 and open formats)

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 27, 2007, at 18:26, Jason Stephenson wrote: * From what I've read, Ogg may not be all that safe to use patent- wise. Is this just FUD, or is there something to it? I've heard the claim that it's patent-free hundreds of times. The FAQ at vorbis.com says: What is Ogg Vorbis? Og

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Nigel Stewart
> Yesterday I decided it was time to give Kubuntu 6.10 a try. Now the > only system I can realistically reload the OS on at the moment is my > laptop, so that's my guinea pig. (It is a Toshiba Satellite M45 S359) For diagnostic purposes, it might be interesting to try the latest on the develop

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Brian Chabot
Tom Buskey wrote: > > Anyone else have any suggestions? > > > There is an alternate boot CD you could try. > > Maybe try the Ubuntu or Xubuntu install and add KDE with Synaptic > after the install. Was kind of hoping not to have to DL and burn another image here... but if that's the only opt

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Brian Chabot
Ben Scott wrote: > Have you tried the CD in another system, just to make sure, for > sure, that the CD is good? It seems good. Passed the md5 checksum on burn... >> mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or >> directory > cp: unable to open '/root/var/log/': No such

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Brian Chabot
Nigel Stewart wrote: > For diagnostic purposes, it might be interesting to try the latest > on the development branch, to see if there is already a fix. > > Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn Herd 4 > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu > That is exactly the same advice I got from others the

Re: More on MP3 and open formats

2007-02-27 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/27/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm still miffed my iPod won't play my .mp2 files ... What about RockBox? (RockBox is third-party FOSS firmware for many music players, including the iPod.) A Google for "rockbox mp2" seems to indicate it might work. http://www.rockbox.o

Re: More on MP3 and open formats

2007-02-27 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> > I'm still miffed my iPod won't play my .mp2 files ... > > What about RockBox? (RockBox is third-party FOSS firmware for many > music players, including the iPod.) A Google for "rockbox mp2" seems > to indicate it might work. > > http://www.rockbox.org/ > > -- Ben The Free Software Found

[humor] Help, I can't stop playing games

2007-02-27 Thread Greg Rundlett
Help, I've got Hardware 3-D Graphics Acceleration working and now I can't stop playing foobilliard, super tux and penguin racer!! http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers :-) p.s. I've never been a 'gamer' so I didn't care much about getting the most out of my graphics card. Still, having

Re: Trying to try Kubunto...

2007-02-27 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/27/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Have you tried the CD in another system, just to make sure, for sure, that the CD is good? It seems good. Passed the md5 checksum on burn... That would be "no", then? I don't know if whatever checksum mechanism in use includes the boot i

Re: More on MP3 and open formats

2007-02-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Feb 27, 2007, at 21:46, Ben Scott wrote: hat about RockBox? (RockBox is third-party FOSS firmware for many music players, including the iPod.) A Google for "rockbox mp2" seems to indicate it might work. Yeah, no support for the model I have (iPod), unfortunately. -Bill - Bill McGon