What is unique or good about Ubuntu? What are its advantages? As I
understand it is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses a different package
manager, does it really matter?
My linux background is with SuSE, Fedora, Centos, and Scientific Linux
which use an rpm based package manager.
-Bruce
Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of it's
packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian. Using Debian
packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already done.
What makes Ubuntu special is a focus on regular desktop users, aka Linux
for
On 09/18/2008 08:57 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
What is unique or good about Ubuntu? What are its advantages? As I
understand it is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses a different package
manager, does it really matter?
My linux background is with SuSE, Fedora, Centos, and Scientific Linux
which
Arc Riley wrote:
Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of
it's packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian.
Using Debian packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already
done.
What makes Ubuntu special is a focus on regular desktop
Mark Komarinski wrote:
On 09/18/2008 08:57 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
What is unique or good about Ubuntu? What are its advantages? As I
understand it is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses a different package
manager, does it really matter?
snip
Here's the things that Ubuntu gets
On 09/18/2008 09:38 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
At work, I need to set up stuff like a tftp server, a nfs server, dhcpd,
and my favorite ;) 3D imaging using vtk, python, mayavi2, scipy, opengl
etc. Is that a good fit? I don't know if that qualifies as a regular
desktop user. How is their 64
On 09/18/2008 09:48 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
included?
Not having used ATI cards in a long time, I can't answer either. A good
guess would tell me that they're at least supported in 2D mode and the
proprietary drivers for 3D
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:38 -0400, Bruce Labitt wrote:
Arc Riley wrote:
Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of
it's packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian.
Using Debian packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already
On Thursday 18 September 2008 09:48, Bruce Labitt wrote:
Can one use apt with Ubuntu? Does that get one out of most of
dependency hell? I thought apt was similar (I believe many say even
better) to yum and yast.
Dependency hell in a Debian system largely would come from using packages
Bruce Labitt wrote:
Ubuntu uses a different package manager, does it really matter?
My feeling is that too much is made of this. I use RPM based distributions
and DEB based distributions interchangeably during the day. From a high
level user's perspective there is no real difference. There's
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Neil Joseph Schelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dependency hell in a Debian system largely would come from using packages
outside of the distribution for a different OS or different version.
As you note, Dependency Hell generally arrises when one attempts
to use
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can one use apt with Ubuntu?
Ubuntu uses apt for its package management front-end and dependency
management, so not only can one use with Ubuntu, one *must* use apt
with Ubuntu. :)
apt is analogous to yum.
dpkg is
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Darrell Michaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bruce Labitt wrote:
Ubuntu uses a different package manager, does it really matter?
My feeling is that too much is made of this.
I agree, although I think it goes beyond just the package manager
debate. I believe
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 09:32:43AM -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote:
Here's the things that Ubuntu gets right, at least on the desktop:
[...]
- no need for root. There's almost no need to log in as root. You're
automatically set up with sudo access and everything goes through that.
For a
Heh, I managed to get the list going... It was verry quiet.
Seriously, now. Why Ubuntu vs straight Debian? Ubuntu has worked at
making the average-user experience easier, is that it?
As I said before, I have a work system which needs to be 64 bit, is
there enough support for 64 bits in
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Seriously, now. Why Ubuntu vs straight Debian? Ubuntu has worked at
making the average-user experience easier, is that it?
That's exactly right.
As I said before, I have a work system which needs to be 64 bit, is
On Thursday 18 September 2008 11:33, Bruce Labitt wrote:
Seriously, now. Why Ubuntu vs straight Debian? Ubuntu has worked at
making the average-user experience easier, is that it?
I think that's it. I run Debian Stable as my desktop/laptop OS of choice.
It's outdated, but I pull a few
Bruce Labitt wrote:
Seriously, now. Why Ubuntu vs straight Debian? Ubuntu has worked at
making the average-user experience easier, is that it?
I seem to recall you were unsatisfied with a RHEL derived distribution
because of the slower release cycle and difficulty accessing late-breaking
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 11:42 -0400, Arc Riley wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Bruce Labitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, now. Why Ubuntu vs straight Debian? Ubuntu has
worked at
making the average-user experience easier, is that it?
That's
Now that we've heard from Jarrod, it gives me the opportunity to ask a
question or two about Fedora.
You may remember my woes of dealing with SciLinux and essentially
concluding it wasn't modern enough for what I wanted to do. (64 bit /
3D imaging / rotation / scientific) I am not too happy
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
included?
Yes, you simply have to run the restricted driver manager and 'turn
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:06 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 11:42 -0400, Arc Riley wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Bruce Labitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, now. Why Ubuntu vs straight Debian? Ubuntu has
worked at
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?
The current general release is Fedora 9.
From my point of view, the Fedora project is *always* in
development/testing mode for the next release. The stated goal of the
Fedora
Fedora is very much a bleeding edge distribution. It usually has the most
late-breaking versions of packages. It is not unheard of to find
pre-release or beta versions, sometimes against the original upstream
source's wishes. It also tends to be a showcase of ideas
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:54:27PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from Fedora 9 to 10?
The official upgrade path for Fedora is to download disc images for
the latest release, burn and boot from disc, and follow the prompts to
upgrade.
I've read several
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:38 -0400, Bruce Labitt wrote:
Arc Riley wrote:
Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of
it's packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian.
Using Debian packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe the current goal for Debian is a release every 18 months or
so.
Debian has been struggling to decrease the time between stable
releases for at least ten years, and it never happens. Personally, I
think they'd
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha? I just am a bit leary of the
upgrade cycle for Fedora. Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from
Fedora 9 to 10?
I've personally stayed away from Fedora for one real reason.
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
included?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From what I recall from list discussions a few months ago, the drivers
were rather experimental, but they were Open Source. I thought the
restricted driver manager in Ubuntu was for binary-only drivers.
Depends on the
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From what I recall from list discussions a few months ago, the drivers
were rather experimental, but they were Open Source. I thought the
restricted
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
Ah-ha! So, even though the driver is so new the paint hasn't dried
yet, somebody has still packaged it up for Ubuntu. Nice.
Bruce, you may want to give Ubuntu a try,
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
Ah-ha! So, even though the driver is so new the paint hasn't dried
yet, somebody has still packaged it
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:48 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha? I just am a bit leary of the
upgrade cycle for Fedora. Can one relatively painlessly upgrade from
Fedora 9 to 10?
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:54 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Labitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a Fedora 10? or is that in alpha?
The current general release is Fedora 9.
From my point of view, the Fedora project is *always* in
development/testing
I thought I would start a new more generic thread.
In the current landscape, both Fedora and OpenSuSE are cutting edge
releases as well as testing for the respective enterprise editions. This
is, IMHO, a good thing as many users prefer to get some of the latest
bells and whistles as well as
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:03 -0400, Darrell Michaud wrote:
Fedora is very much a bleeding edge distribution. It usually has the most
late-breaking versions of packages.
The development tree definitely does. Stable releases, it varies a bit
from package to package. One of the interesting things
peachy :-)
As an example, I use WPA here in the office, no encryption at MIT, and
WPA 128 at home. Ater a Jarod Wilson discussion a while ago, I maindo do
suspend and my system is able to easily detect the wireless and connect
to it. Last night John Abreau had his wireless on and I connected
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 15:27 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
peachy :-)
As an example, I use WPA here in the office, no encryption at MIT, and
WPA 128 at home. Ater a Jarod Wilson discussion a while ago, I maindo do
suspend and my system is able to easily detect the wireless and connect
to it.
Jarod Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 13:03 -0400, Darrell Michaud wrote:
Fedora is very much a bleeding edge distribution. It usually has the most
late-breaking versions of packages.
snip
/snip
One major downside is the upgrade treadmill- Fedora's support for previous
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just to add some more evidence as to the current solid state of Linux
wireless support...
In my experience, it has also depended on the packaging policies of
the distribution and the hardware one happens to have. In
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My experience with Ubuntu is that if you install b43-fwcutter on Ubuntu (not
the legacy bcm43xx-wcutter) the firmware will be installed.
Well, that's good to know. Unfortunately, I've most often been
trying to do this
I learned early on in my GNU/Linux experience, the one thing you are is a
developer and doesn't matter if you have never used a compiler before now.
Just think of yourself as a developer and GNU/Linux will work better for you
and have a lot less issues. Basically, a developer is anyone who
On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:33, Bruce Labitt wrote:
Ubuntu has worked at
making the average-user experience easier, is that it?
Yeah, but that's really something too. If you setup a new debian
workstation for yourself it might take a thousand decisions to get it
'just right' for you. Same for
On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:49, mike ledoux wrote:
What do you need the root password to do in Fedora?
If you run any GUI admin tools it'll ask you for the root password.
This is a bug, IMNSHO - if the user has sudo rights that should be
sufficient, with or without a raster display.
Even Apple
On Sep 18, 2008, at 15:06, Jarod Wilson wrote:
Me, I hate stale software, so I tend to always be running at least the
latest Fedora release, if not the current development tree.
I'm a bit more conservative than Jarod, so I run Fedora about 4-5
months into the release cycle. Pretty much all
Bill McGonigle wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 15:06, Jarod Wilson wrote:
Me, I hate stale software, so I tend to always be running at least the
latest Fedora release, if not the current development tree.
snip
unsnip
Bruce, I recall when we went around on this last time most all the
wanted me to use Ubuntu. Quite a while ago I switched rom Debian to SuSE
because the release cycles were too slow.
Debian had a really rough spot for a while, yeah. They have cleaned
up their act. But you could always get the Gentoo continual upgrade
effect without compiling by installing.
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