Just adding a bit more fuel to the fire... ;-)
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 1:57pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm just tired of the limits of the x86 line640k,8gb.why don't
> manf take into account that just because a 10Tb drive dosen't exist today,
> one will exist with 6 or 8 months...a
> The 640 KB limit arose from the original IBM-PC design,
> circa 1980.
> Since the 8086 didn't even have a memory manager, hardware
> needed to be
> mapped directly into physical memory space, and IBM thought
> 640/384 was a
> good place to draw the line between software and "reserved" mem
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At some point hitherto, Brenda A. Bell hath spake thusly:
> Somewhere on the Internet there's an anthology of hilarious quotes... I
> believe it was someone from IBM who said "why would anyone ever need
> more than 640K RAM in a personal computer".
A
Much goes back to the design of the 8088 chip and its implementation in the
original PC. The larger onboard memory really required the 386 chip
(although the 286 changed some stuff). The other limitation was DOS, which
operated in realmode. Essentially, Windows 95 started the ball rolling on
t
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 8:36pm, Brenda A. Bell wrote:
>> The 640 KB limit arose from the original IBM-PC design, circa 1980.
>> Since the 8086 didn't even have a memory manager, hardware needed to be
>> mapped directly into physical memory space, and IBM thought 640/384 was a
>> good place to
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You're probably correct. I don't see any benefit for a normal home user to
get a 1.5Ghz Pentium 4 for $700. Games certainly do drive the system. But,
people tend to load up with applications and leave them
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> Just adding a bit more fuel to the fire... ;-)
>
How rare on the GNHLUG :-) I think this a useful thread of course.
>
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 8:39pm, Tom Buskey wrote:
>> One advantage Sun (& Apple) have always had over PCs is quality. They
>> are well built.
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 9:09pm, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> You're probably correct. I don't see any benefit for a normal home user to
> get a 1.5Ghz Pentium 4 for $700.
Heh. You've never tried Windows XP then. ;-)
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> > As much as I hate to give them credit for anything, I believe
> > Redmond is greatly responsible for the kind of PC hardware we have
> > today... Windows 3.1 was a hog, but people wanted it and the
> > hardware vendors did what they needed to to keep up.
>
> I have to disagree. While I think
Jerry Feldman said:
>When the PC was designed, there was a rather small market. You had the
>Apple II with 16K, and a few other 8080, z80, m6800, or 6502. The PC used
>the 8088 (which is the 8 bit version of the newer 8086 line. Coming from 8
>bits to 16 bits was a big move.
There was also th
12, 2002 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: 'My favorite platform' debate (was: Rack Mount Servers)
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 8:36pm, Brenda A. Bell wrote:
> >> The 640 KB limit arose from the original IBM-PC design, circa 1980.
> >> Since the 8086 didn't even have a me
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 9:09pm, Tom Buskey wrote:
>>> My Sparc 20 had a memory error for a month because I was too lazy to shut
>>> it down & reseat the simm. Can PCs do error correction like that?
>>
>> Sure, with ECC RAM. :)
>
> Which is in (just about?) every Sun system. It's harder to fin
On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 09:16 PM, Tom Buskey wrote:
> There was also the m68000 (unless you meant the 68000 when you wrote
> 6800 above). The Macintoshes started on them (with 128k of RAM!). Sun,
I remember my first Macintosh. It did not come with a hard disk! Just
a floppy drive.
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 9:52pm, Erik Price wrote:
> I remember my first Macintosh. It did not come with a hard disk! Just a
> floppy drive.
"Why, back in my day, we didn't even have keyboards. We had to chisel the
characters into the screen! And we liked it!"
;-)
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> I have to disagree.
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>
> "Why, back in my day, we di
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> In Redmond's favor, any GUI is going to be somewhat of a memory hog.
My first Amiga, the A-1000, a truly GUI/multitasking box, came stock with
256K RAM, and ran fine. I got the add'l 256K so I could have a RAM disk.
;-) In other words, a GUI doesn't
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 7:16pm, Ken Ambrose wrote:
>> In Redmond's favor, any GUI is going to be somewhat of a memory hog.
>
> My first Amiga, the A-1000, a truly GUI/multitasking box, came stock with
> 256K RAM, and ran fine.
Oh, yeah, that reminds me: PC/GEOS, the core of GeoWorks Ensemble.
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:15:57 -0400 (EDT)
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> To put this in
> perspective, at the time the IBM-PC was introduced, 64 kilobytes was seen as
> a fairly good sized main memory for a home microcomputer.
My first computer came with 8 Kilobytes as standard and I bought it with
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> > think the largest influence was by far had by the gaming industry.
>
> ...and I have to disagree to some extent with that.
>
> While the gaming industry has forced hardware manufacturers t
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Rich Cloutier wrote:
> The fact of the matter is, all those programs are Windows based (or at
> least WERE until Linux.) And one kid I know actually complains that his
> P4 system can't play an audio CD, watch TV (ATI All-in-wonder) surf the
> web, and chat with his friends a
No, 2K is the lowest I've gone. We have a site license at work, but there
is a problem with the key.
I prefer Linux.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 9:09pm, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > You're probably correct. I don't see any benefit for a normal home user to
> > get a 1.5Ghz Pen
Early implementations of MS Windows were horrible. 3.1 was the first
version of Windows that had any merit at all.
All GUIs demand much from hardware. All are insatiable.
"Brenda A. Bell" wrote:
> Since the introduction of Win95, absolutely... I was more thinking about
> the early 90's when Win
[ This thread seems to indicate that the 'G'
in GNHLUG actually stands for Geriatric... ]
>As for IBM and the 68K -- one of the initial PC specs
>was backward CP/M compatibility. The 8088 seemed a
>logical choice to fulfill this unfulfilled "feature:"
>everything the 8080 was, and faster,
r NH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: 'My favorite platform' debate (was: Rack Mount Servers)
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, at 9:52pm, Erik Price wrote:
> I remember my first Macintosh. It did not come with a hard disk! Just a
> floppy drive.
"Why, back in my day, we didn't even h
While my first computer was an IBM 7044 mainframe (punch card input only).
after a few years in the Army playing knob dicker to grunts, I worked at
Burger King Corporation. The Burger King POS was a 4K PDP8-E. No disk, no
tape.
The modem was a Novation modem card. We did the internal timing f
In a message dated: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:18:26 EDT
Bill Mullen said:
>On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Rich Cloutier wrote:
>
>> The fact of the matter is, all those programs are Windows based (or at
>> least WERE until Linux.) And one kid I know actually complains that his
>> P4 system can't play an audio C
of twice a week!
>
>cheers ... bbr
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When I was in graduate school we ran a business game that included schools
from all over. We had an 8 level TWX and a 5 level baudot code system.
Ancient history.
Richard Soule wrote:
> 5 level paper tape? or 8? I used 5 myself.
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> While my first computer was an IBM 7044 mainframe (punch card input
> only). after a few years in the Army playing knob dicker to grunts, I
> worked at Burger King Corporation. The Burger King POS was a 4K PDP8-E.
> No disk, no tape.
And the memories
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> When I was in graduate school we ran a business game th
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