Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... By controling the support sphere

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: > On 10/05/2009 12:36 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: > > > > Apple hasn't been as free with their hardware in the past (the 68k > > systems) and the iPod/IPhone are in that group, but the x86 systems have > > been fairly open to different OSen and soft

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... By controling the support sphere

On 10/05/2009 12:36 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: > > Apple hasn't been as free with their hardware in the past (the 68k > systems) and the iPod/IPhone are in that group, but the x86 systems have > been fairly open to different OSen and software. FYI, NetBSD is pretty good on the 68k machines. > The Gim

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On 10/05/2009 10:47 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > I have watched Linux systems improve for the past 15 years. Free > Software is amazing, and it is getting better. Certainly the GAP has > closed between FOSS and Microsoft. The gap may or may not close between > Apple and FOSS. Depends on how acc

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Coleman Kane wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:46 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: >> > ... I got a mini displayport to composite adapter. *bzzt*. > ... the mini just works for everything I want to do. ... >

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:46 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: > >>> ... I got a mini displayport to composite adapter. *bzzt*. > >>> ... the mini just works for everything I want to do. ... > >> > >> Reality Distortion Field is in effect, I see. >

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: >>> ... I got a mini displayport to composite adapter.  *bzzt*.  >>> ... the mini just works for everything I want to do. ... >> >>  Reality Distortion Field is in effect, I see. > > Nope.  I wanted ... While I waited to get the HDTV, it didn

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Shawn O'Shea wrote: > How about just "wrong information"? If you click on Tech Specs it tells you you need an adapter to connect to VGA. Scroll down the page and you see "Confiure to order" (which is definitely the Mac Mini) and "Accessories". In the "Accessories" l

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Apple's hardware tends to last longer too. I have Mac IIci systems still running. They stopped making them in 1991. I also have Sun Sparcs, and an SGI Indy from that era still working. My mini will be running long after the standard PC of the same speed has died. ___

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

> > > How about just "wrong information"? If you click on Tech Specs it tells > you you need an adapter to connect to VGA. Scroll down the page and you > see "Confiure to order" (which is definitely the Mac Mini) and > "Accessories". In the "Accessories" list with a clickable link is "Apple > Mini-

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > > I got a mini displayport to composite adapter. *bzzt*. ... I had to get > > a vga to composite converter to get analog output to my TV. That was > about > > $30 and not available from appl

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... By controling the support sphere

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Hi, > > I have been watching this conversation for the past couple of days, and > I would just like to throw in a small observation. > > People like Apple because of their design, because things plug together > seamlessly, because everyt

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Kenny Lussier wrote: >>  Alex mentioned VGA.  That adapter provides DVI. >>  Perhaps you should have spent more than 30 seconds.  ;-) > > Actually, he said "my existing monitor, keyboard, and mouse" without > specifying. *sigh* On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM, A

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Shawn O'Shea wrote: > www.apple.com > > In the top navbar, click "Mac" > > In the navbar that comes up under that click "Mac Mini" > > In the Mac Mini navbar, click Tech Specs > > There is a section "In the box" that describes what it comes with > (which does not include a k

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

www.apple.com In the top navbar, click "Mac" In the navbar that comes up under that click "Mac Mini" In the Mac Mini navbar, click Tech Specs There is a section "In the box" that describes what it comes with (which does not include a keyboard and mouse) and there is a section called "Graphics a

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Hi, I have been watching this conversation for the past couple of days, and I would just like to throw in a small observation. People like Apple because of their design, because things plug together seamlessly, because everything works well. One simple reason for this is that Apple controls, to

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier wrote: > > I just spent about 30 seconds on their site, and found the Mac Mini tech > > specs. You need this: > > > http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MTA4NTYxMDQ > >

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Ben Scott wrote: >  FYI, "Mini DisplayPort" is apparently Yet Another Apple Proprietary > Connector.  Apple does love making goofy connectors.  I guess it's > somewhat forgivable in this case, given the small form factor of the > Mini.  And at least it actually give

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > I got a mini displayport to composite adapter.  *bzzt*.  ... I had to get > a vga to composite converter to get analog output to my TV.  That was about > $30 and not available from apple. ... > ... the mini just works for everything I want to do.

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier wrote: > I just spent about 30 seconds on their site, and found the Mac Mini tech > specs. You need this: > http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MTA4NTYxMDQ Alex mentioned VGA. That adapter provides DVI. Perhaps you s

Re: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Joseph wrote: > Hey Everyone, > I agree with all of your assessments thus far.  Woudn't it be great if Apple > opened up it's hardware model to allow for 3rd party hardware companies and > just sold the OS?    I don't think I would buy it even then but it would b

Re: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Joseph wrote: > Hey Everyone, > I agree with all of your assessments thus far.  Woudn't it be great if Apple > opened up it's hardware model to allow for 3rd party hardware companies and > just sold the OS?    I don't think I would buy it even then but it would b

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > > > I bought a mini in March to use as a media center. I bought the Apple > remote which "just works". I had USB keyboards. I bought a bluetooth > keyboard and mouse - they just worked. I bought a mini dvi to VGA adapter > that just worked w

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Tom Buskey wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Hewitt_Tech > mailto:hewitt_t...@comcast.net>> wrote: > > > > What bugged me about the way Apple sells the Mini is their > de

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Kenny Lussier wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Hewitt_Tech > wrote: > > > > What bugged me about the way Apple sells the Mini is their deliberate > withholding of information from the customer so that the customer > would > feel obligat

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Kenny Lussier wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Hewitt_Tech wrote: > >> >> >> What bugged me about the way Apple sells the Mini is their deliberate >> withholding of information from the customer so that the customer would >> feel obligated to buy mu

Prebuilt/turn-key PC options (was: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...)

Hewitt_Tech writes: > > What bugged me about the way [proprietary end-to-end systems provider] > sells the [proprietary component of proprietary end-to-end solution] > is their deliberate withholding of information from the customer so > that the customer would feel obligated to buy much more ex

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Hewitt_Tech wrote: > > > What bugged me about the way Apple sells the Mini is their deliberate > withholding of information from the customer so that the customer would > feel obligated to buy much more expensive gear from them. Check out > their web site and see

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Ben Scott wrote: > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: >> Apple isn't in the business for their health. > > The goal of a business is to *MAKE MONEY*. > > Never, ever forget that, whether you're buying or selling. > > -- Ben > ___ >

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > Apple isn't in the business for their health. The goal of a business is to *MAKE MONEY*. Never, ever forget that, whether you're buying or selling. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-

Re: Fwd: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Jefferson Kirkland writes: > > Ok, I linked the wrong one, sorry.  The dual core was about $100 more, but > that's still way less than the $599 low end price of the mini.  Plus, I really > don't care about the size of the thing, but since it was brought up, why would > I want to pay so much more f

Re: Fwd: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Ok, I linked the wrong one, sorry. The dual core was about $100 more, but that's still way less than the $599 low end price of the mini. Plus, I really don't care about the size of the thing, but since it was brought up, why would I want to pay so much more for (yet again) less? I would rather h

Re: Fwd: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 01:12:58PM -0400, Jefferson Kirkland wrote: > While I am sure the Mac Mini is a nice machine, I can still get more machine > for less. Take a look at this > machineat > Best Buy. As you ca

Fwd: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

-- Forwarded message -- From: Jefferson Kirkland Date: Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM Subject: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... To: Shawn O'Shea While I am sure the Mac Mini is a nice machine, I can still get more machine for less. Take a look at this ma

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

A couple of notes about the Mac Mini. The general stance Apple has taken over the years is that the Mini only exists because customers insisted there be a model like it in it's price range. It is not Apple's "you're new to Mac, but this system." When Apple wants to sell a new-to-Mac user a machine,

RE: Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Hey Everyone, I agree with all of your assessments thus far. Woudn't it be great if Apple opened up it's hardware model to allow for 3rd party hardware companies and just sold the OS?I don't think I would buy it even then but it would be a break from their monopolistic hardware/software co

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

While you make valid points, it definitely comes down to the person. I am and will always be a person who LOVES their desktop real estate and you are correct, my max resolution is 1440x900. But, I am also able to adapt to a slightly smaller resolution considering the money I saved. While I am al

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

To be completely fair, there are a considerable number of other hardware components in a Mac than: Screen size, RAM, Hard Drive space, and CPU. Let's take the screen, and I have some experience in this dept. as I've been working on a project for the past couple years that has evaluated about five

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

While I find the Apple OS to be pretty sweet, mostly due to the fact that it is Unix based now, I just don't see any justification for the cost of their systems. Someone I follow on twitter tried to convince me of how cheap their systems are and I ended up halting the conversation with a small com

How Apple makes more profit on their systems...

Yesterday some friends asked me to accompany them to the Apple store in Salem to help them purchase a Mac. I had talked to them previously about some of the advantages of the platform including decent reliability and in their case the much lower amount of malware targeting the system. But befor