Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-10 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Mar 9, 2007, at 00:27, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: I wonder if FORD will pay that $4,000.? Or CitiBank? Or Bill's friends at Disney that depend on Microsoft's DRM? Nahh, they will just get the patch somehow. I think that 'somehow' is probably that they're a Microsoft Gold Partner.

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:21:32 -0500 Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft's path is so much easier. Just brain-wash everyone to think that whatever you do is standard. A much easier path. Even Pope Gregory would have agreed on that point. They followed IBM's lead. The database

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:54:35 -0500 Jason Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really can't understand all the fuss over something that we've had nearly two years to prepare? Don't those people run a real operating system? I heard that the MSFT patch for Exchange costs $4000. The Linux patch

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-09 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/9/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that a per-system $4,000., or a site-wide $4,000.? $4000 gets you all of the DST fixes for this issue, for Exchange and Windows, for your organization. I haven't read the EULA, but I presume you cannot give it out to people outside

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-09 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/9/07, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, not only does Windows need to be patched, but also various programs. That much is hardly unique to Microsoft. Among other things, Sun's Java Runtime Environment needs fixes. Plenty of application software will need attention,

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-09 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 3/9/07, Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, not only does Windows need to be patched, but also various programs. That much is hardly unique to Microsoft. Among other things, Sun's Java Runtime Environment needs fixes. Plenty of

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Kjel Anderson
The link to the comments on EOOXML would be hilarious if it weren't so scary. This is my favorite part so far: Where Ecma 376 specifies 50 pages of clip art (pages 2415 to 2465), ISO 26300 allows the insertion of an arbitrary image into the document. The absurdity is breathtaking! Kjel On

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/8/07, Kjel Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my favorite part so far: [...] The absurdity is breathtaking! The boatload of behave like features is what really gets me. Things like truncateFontHeightsLikeWP6 or footnoteLayoutLikeWW8. A specification that's specifies behavior

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/8/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why they can not just overrule the US Congress and President Bush and resolve this small problem: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=307tag=nl.e589 To really appreciate the magnitude of this cluster-fsck, you have to

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
[1] Rhetorical question. I know why: Microsoft is taking their proprietary formats and dressing them up in XML and open standards clothing. Much like a certain wolf with a certain sheep skin... When you stop and think about it, it is what they do with everything. Microsoft defines

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Jason Stephenson
Actually, I don't understand what the issue is, either. I manually updated my servers at work by writing a textual zoneinfo file with the proper configuration as described in the manual page for zic. I checked the contents of /etc/TIMEZONE or /etc/localtime and made sure that my input file

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/8/07, Jason Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I manually updated my servers at work by writing a textual zoneinfo file ... It gets better. There actually *is* a timezone editor tool, available for more-or-less all versions of Windows. All it really does is write some registry

Re: I reallly do not understand what the issue is.....

2007-03-08 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ben, On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 22:08 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On 3/8/07, Jason Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I manually updated my servers at work by writing a textual zoneinfo file ... It gets better. Next, Exchange 2000 is in the Extended support phase -- which apparently should