Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-22 Thread Tom Buskey
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill McGonigle wrote: > > > > So, it's a one-time configuration? I haz a vmware. > > > > I think it's just an EEPROM setting. APCUPSD used to be able to > reprogram the EEPROM directly. They moved the code out of there and i

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Michael Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main drawback to this approach is that you need a Windows > system on which to run PowerChute. PowerChute is/was available for Linux. I think I've also seen a third-party utility (possibly part of the NUT or a

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... must cut speaker wire! For most of the APC Smart-UPS line, pressing the "On" button briefly will silence the "On Battery" alarm (but not the "Low Battery" alarm). For the ones with only a single "On/Off" button, I

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Ted Roche
Bill McGonigle wrote: > > So, it's a one-time configuration? I haz a vmware. > I think it's just an EEPROM setting. APCUPSD used to be able to reprogram the EEPROM directly. They moved the code out of there and into the apctest module. Details here: http://www.apcupsd.org/manual/manual.html#S

RE: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Pelletier
letier Cc: 'Greater NH Linux User Group' Subject: Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC) On Aug 21, 2008, at 14:06, Michael Pelletier wrote: > The main drawback > to this approach is that you need a Windows system on which to run > PowerChute. So, it's a one-tim

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Aug 21, 2008, at 14:06, Michael Pelletier wrote: > The main drawback > to this approach is that you need a Windows system on which to run > PowerChute. So, it's a one-time configuration? I haz a vmware. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC

RE: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Pelletier
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill McGonigle Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:47 PM To: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC) So, to the original point of demo'ing linux in the

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
Trying to be budget conscious I recalled that my office UPS (APC) is 1500VA and 865W, and has lead acid batteries inside. It claims 2 hours of runtime at 50W. I got it on sale for $120 or so. So, I pulled out the Kill-A-Watt and plugged it inline with my laptop, and got a 42W load mostly i

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread michael miller
That would be 3 Li cells in series. My Dell Inspiron 5150 has a battery labeled 14.8v, 6450mAh with a charger specified as 19.5v 6.7A. It's a pain in the butt and next time I'm looking at a new laptop I will check the battery voltage before buying. I think that 11.1v is a more common battery for l

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:52 AM, michael miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The internal battery nominal voltage is 14.4 (4 x 3.6v cells in series). FYI and FWIW, two Dell laptops I just checked indicate 11.1 volts on the battery label. -- Ben ___ gn

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread michael miller
19.5v is only used for charging. The internal battery nominal voltage is 14.4 (4 x 3.6v cells in series). Li, NiCd and NiMH batteries tend to maintain a nearly constant voltage until they are almost fully discharged at which point voltage drops rapidly. Lead acid battery voltage tends to drop co

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious if the voltage drops as the battery discharges or remains fairly > level. I know that voltage does drop as a battery discharges, and that the pattern of the voltage drop depends on the type of battery. I've

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-20 Thread VirginSnow
> From: Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:03:27 -0400 > in series. So, if one bought two marine batteries, a bigger box, and > was familiar with proper acid handling techniques, ought there be an > electrical reason that 'just' making a 19.5v battery with the >

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-20 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Aug 20, 2008, at 14:58, mike ledoux wrote: > A good (and sadly, expensive) DC-DC voltage > converter is only about 85% efficient, so to get the 19.5Vdc @ 4.62A > you need, you will draw ~8.63A @ 12Vdc. ~5 hours becomes ~4.5. Yeah, that does sound a bit wasteful if one is starting from scratch

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-20 Thread mike ledoux
Probably more than you wanted to know, but you asked. :) On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 06:24:32PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: > Looking quickly, I can't seem to find amp-hour ratings from car > battery makers/sellers. Google finds various third-party claims, but > they're all over the map (25 to 100 Ah

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread VirginSnow
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:50:35 -0400 > From: "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > multi-voltage adapters). Nasty alternator noise in the audio. Went > I imagine sufficiently good quality components would not have > trouble, but most laptops have cheap parts for both power and audio. Noise d

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread michael miller
I went through this same process a couple of years ago. Initially it made no sense that a computer that uses components running on 12, 5, 3.3 and maybe 2.5vdc couldn't run off of a 12 vdc car battery. Ultimately it turned out that it was the vendors choice of laptop battery that was the problem.

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've tried doing audio recording with my laptop running off of the car with > an inverter and the electrical noise ruined the effort. FWIW... Circa 1992, I spent some time trying to get a personal portable CD player

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread Jim Kuzdrall
On Monday 18 August 2008 18:24, Ben Scott wrote: > Bringing this thread over here from gnhlug-org... > According to the sticker on the > bottom, it's rated for 19.5 VDC at 4.62 A. That number may be considerably higher for several reasons. One is government regulation for the safety (fire

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Aug 18, 2008, at 18:24, Ben Scott wrote: > Someone brought up the idea of powering a laptop from DC sources, > rather than the traditional AC power bricks. This is strictly about > external power, not the laptop's built-in batteries. I'll admit to it and just mention here that it came up in

Re: Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread Drew Van Zandt
The Ah of a battery may depend quite a lot on the current drawn from it; I'd look for a datasheet, it probably has an Ah/current graph. You need a pretty high-power switcher to feed that current at 19.5VDC, in electronics-land that's a TON of power. Definitely something with an external power FET

Laptop external power from batteries (DC/DC)

2008-08-18 Thread Ben Scott
Bringing this thread over here from gnhlug-org... Someone brought up the idea of powering a laptop from DC sources, rather than the traditional AC power bricks. This is strictly about external power, not the laptop's built-in batteries. Obviously, many laptops come with "travel adapters",