On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow. As glacial as Debian is to release things, I'm fairly certain I
> can still get updates for ancient releases.
Nope. As others have pointed out, the "stable" Debian releases are
maintained for one year after the r
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Michael ODonnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full "active development" release
> >
> > Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced
> > with the U8 release which I un
On 04/11/2008 08:36 AM, Paul Lussier wrote:
> Wow. As glacial as Debian is to release things, I'm fairly certain I
> can still get updates for ancient releases. Couldn't you just
> download the src.rpm and rebuild it for your system?
>
Sarge security updates ended on March 31 (~1 year after et
"Michael ODonnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full "active development" release
>
> Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced
> with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the
> "final" one, but it's bad enough that I'd suspect t
Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Once a fedora release goes end-of-life, there are no more updates,
> period. For example, Fedora Core 6 went end-of-life a few months ago,
> and hasn't had a security update of any sort released since. So you have
> to upgrade the system to the next Fedor
> > > init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's
> > Upstart? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
> > Ubuntu started using it in 6.10
> I'm running 7.04 on my laptop and still see /etc/init.d. Maybe it's 7.10?
You're both right - it shipped with Ubuntu 6.10 or so but init.d isn't
> IMO, the biggest difference between a RH-based and Debian-based system
> is the packaging and tools and the basic sysadmin configuration:
>
> RHDebian
> --
> rpm
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 02:24:16PM -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote:
> Sorry, I don't have the number in front of me at the moment but
> here's the patch that fixes it:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=294675
>
> Symptom is that the system appears to hang when filesystems
> are u
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 14:24 -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote:
>
> > what bug did you run across? Don't suppose there's a BZ open on it?
>
> Sorry, I don't have the number in front of me at the moment but
> here's the patch that fixes it:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=294675
>
> what bug did you run across? Don't suppose there's a BZ open on it?
Sorry, I don't have the number in front of me at the moment but
here's the patch that fixes it:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=294675
Symptom is that the system appears to hang when filesystems
are unmount
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:59:08PM -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote:
> > I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full "active development" release
>
> Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced
> with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the
> "final" one, but it's bad enoug
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 12:59 -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote:
>
> > I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full "active development" release
>
> Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced
> with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the
> "final" one, but it's bad enough th
> I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full "active development" release
Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced
with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the
"final" one, but it's bad enough that I'd suspect there'll be a
"final-and-this-time-we-really-mean-it-no
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 12:33 -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote:
>
> > Once a fedora release goes end-of-life, there are no more updates,
> > period. For example, Fedora Core 6 went end-of-life a few months
> > ago, and hasn't had a security update of any sort released since.
> > So you have to upgrade
> Once a fedora release goes end-of-life, there are no more updates,
> period. For example, Fedora Core 6 went end-of-life a few months
> ago, and hasn't had a security update of any sort released since.
> So you have to upgrade the system to the next Fedora release
> (or the one after) to keep
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Ubuntu started using it in 6.10
>
> It's looking more like everyone's favorite editor/terminal. *sigh*
Linux is looking more and more like Microsoft Windows every day.
(This is not a compl
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Shawn O'Shea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > There's some other new dependency-based service manager
> > init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's
> > packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked appealing, but
> > I didn't
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 11:05 -0400, Shawn O'Shea wrote:
>
>
> There's some other new dependency-based service manager
> init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name.
> It's
> packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked
>
>
> There's some other new dependency-based service manager
> init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's
> packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked appealing, but
> I didn't care enough to try it.
>
Upstart? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
Ubuntu started using
>
> and MacOSX launchd and Solaris 10's SMF (I miss /etc/init.d/* sometimes).
>
> NetBSD hasn't used rc.local for awhile. OpenBSD still uses it.
>
And launchd was new in 10.4. Prior to that it was SystemStarter (which a few
things in 10.4 still get started by, see /System/Library/StartupItems)
-
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> - Choice of SysVinit vs. BSD's rc.local (they both suck in
their own way)
>
> and MacOSX launchd and Solaris 10's SMF ...
There's some other new dependency-based service manager
init-replacement thing in the FOSS worl
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Though, that being said, I've lived on the "testing/unstable" edge of
> Debian for years with no serious repurcussions.
Over the years, I've developed a theory that software has race
memory. For example, Debian clearly
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Labitt, Bruce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > What is the advantage of a debian based distro compared to
> > rpm based? (Did I say that? Keep it civil. )
>
> Really? Nothing. Linux is Linux is Linux and Unix is Unix
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:03 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote:
> "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing
> > that annoys about Fedora is their release cycle. Having to do a major
> > upgrade to my OS every year, or living withou
> And tune in next week when Ben takes us through the SunOS <->
> Solaris name mapping! Following that will be a general discussion
> tracking the AT&T releases and how they were tracked by BSD :)
This UN*X family tree is known to be b0rken in some ways but
it's still interesting:
http://ww
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing
> that annoys about Fedora is their release cycle. Having to do a major
> upgrade to my OS every year, or living without security updates, isn't
> a choice I relish.
Can't that be avo
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [1] What we call "Fedora" used to be known as "Red Hat Linux". RHL
> officially ended with version 9. So call RHL 9 "Fedora 0".
> Continuing further back, RHL 7.2 was being developed around the same
> time as RHEL 2.1.
And tune in next week when Ben tak
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Šarūnas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In case of Debian, unstable is quite stable actually ...
>
> Last time I used it (about 14 months ago), Debian unstable had
> package churn on the order of tens or hundreds of megabyte
"Labitt, Bruce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What is the advantage of a debian based distro compared to
> rpm based? (Did I say that? Keep it civil. )
Really? Nothing. Linux is Linux is Linux and Unix is Unix is Unix
and Linux is Solaris is BSD is HP-UX is AI^H^H (oops, almost got
carried a
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 09:13 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:50 -0400, Frank DiPrete wrote:
> >
> > Ben Scott wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPr
"Michael ODonnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> That way the list can continue to have discussions [...]
>> with out having me bother everyone. :)
>
> The signal on this channel is Linux, so if you're talking
> Linux you're not bothering anyone because that's why we're all
> gathered here.
Wha
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:50 -0400, Frank DiPrete wrote:
> >
> > Ben Scott wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >> MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. Fr
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Bruce Labitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does Centos keep up with security updates?
CentOS tracks RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) very closely. Red Hat
provides updates for seven years after initial release. So RHEL 2.1,
released in 2002, and roughly contempor
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:50 -0400, Frank DiPrete wrote:
>
> Ben Scott wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and
> >> admin point of view it's pretty much the same.
> >
> > Spea
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 21:40 -0400, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Frank DiPrete wrote:
> > Ben Scott wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and
> >>> admin point of view i
To simplify scientist self-administration of the workstation, consider
WebMin & it's UserMin module. See April Linux Journal review.
> scientific calculations.
What kind of science?
Bio/Genetic, Geo/Soc/Stat, HPC MPPC ?
If Clustering, / Hi-Performance Computing, that's a whole different
kettle
Frank DiPrete wrote:
> Ben Scott wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and
>>> admin point of view it's pretty much the same.
>>>
>> Speaking as a professional
Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and
>> admin point of view it's pretty much the same.
>
> Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing
> th
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and
> admin point of view it's pretty much the same.
Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing
that annoys about Fedora is the
Labitt, Bruce wrote:
> I realize this is / was / will be a religious argument, but I'm having
> trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer.
Please refer to all comments as "in my opinion" to avoid jihads.
I was
> wondering if there was a distro more up to date and was suited for
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> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Šarūnas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In case of Debian, unstable is quite stable actually ...
>
> Last time I used it (about 14 months ago), Debian unstable had
> package churn on the order of tens
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Labitt, Bruce
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Labitt, Bruce] Is a Centos upgrade as ugly as a SuSE upgrade? In other
> words, save \usr, \home, install over everything?
Every kind of head-wear Linux I've ever used has been able to
upgrade previous versions in-pla
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Šarūnas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In case of Debian, unstable is quite stable actually ...
Last time I used it (about 14 months ago), Debian unstable had
package churn on the order of tens or hundreds of megabytes per week.
-- Ben
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Labitt, Bruce wrote:
> I realize this is / was / will be a religious argument, but I'm having
> trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer. I was
> wondering if there was a distro more up to date and was suited for
> scientific calculatio
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 14:22 -0400, Labitt, Bruce wrote:
> [Labitt, Bruce] Is a Centos upgrade as ugly as a SuSE upgrade?
Haven't done a suse upgrade in a long time, so I can't comment too
reliably...
> In other
> words, save \usr, \home, install over everything?
CentOS X.y to CentOS X.(y+n) shou
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To: Greater NH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: New distro question
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Labitt, Bruce
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 13:56 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Labitt, Bruce
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I find it awkward compared to either FC6 (gnome) ...
>
> That's curious. RHEL/CentOS and Fedora are typically very similar.
> They use all the same tools. I woul
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Labitt, Bruce
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find it awkward compared to either FC6 (gnome) ...
That's curious. RHEL/CentOS and Fedora are typically very similar.
They use all the same tools. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say
they're built from the same sourc
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 13:24 -0400, Labitt, Bruce wrote:
> Umm, it is probably that I'm not used to it... ;) I find it awkward
> compared to either FC6 (gnome) or suse (kde). I can't put my finger on
> it yet. I didn't install it, so even now, after futzing about with it,
> I'm not quite sure wha
Labitt, Bruce writes:
> I realize this is / was / will be a religious argument, but I'm having
> trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer. I was
> wondering if there was a distro more up to date and was suited for
> scientific calculations.
>
> I'm familiar with FC6, due to a myt
> That way the list can continue to have discussions [...]
> with out having me bother everyone. :)
The signal on this channel is Linux, so if you're talking
Linux you're not bothering anyone because that's why we're all
gathered here. Of course, you get extra credit for taking
newbies and arc
sday, April 08, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Greater NH Linux User Group
Subject: Re: New distro question
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Labitt, Bruce
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer.
Anything specific? If you're otherwis
Labitt, Bruce wrote:
> I realize this is / was / will be a religious argument, but I'm having
> trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer. I was
> wondering if there was a distro more up to date and was suited for
> scientific calculations.
>
Personally, we use Mandriva. It genera
> I realize this is / was / will be a religious argument, but I'm having
> trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer. I was
> wondering if there was a distro more up to date and was suited for
> scientific calculations.
> ...
> It doesn't have to be cool, although that is ok. It doe
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Labitt, Bruce
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having trouble with this distribution of Centos on my computer.
Anything specific? If you're otherwise happy with CentOS, we might
be able to help address those problems.
> I was wondering if there was a distro mor
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