Further to my discussion on
http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2008/12/15/i-think-we-should-have-an-igbo-translation/#comments
in which I mentioned that a Nigerian distro called Wazobia Linux has
translated various GNOME applications into the three languages in the
subject line, a user has found a
Hi!
I think this will end up again in the discussion if a translation can be
considered a "derived work". We had this discussion for the license used
in launchpad some while back.
I think it's best to ask Luis Villa about it before putting the things
in svn.
Regards,
Johannes
Am Dienstag, den 1
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> 2008/12/16 Simos Xenitellis :
>> I think it would be good to get the views of the people behind Wazobia
>> Linux, so that to give a chance to work upstream with GNOME for the
>> translations.
>> Is anyone already in contact, or is this task
2008/12/16 Simos Xenitellis :
> I think it would be good to get the views of the people behind Wazobia
> Linux, so that to give a chance to work upstream with GNOME for the
> translations.
> Is anyone already in contact, or is this task open?
Nobody is in contact-- what I've posted is all anyone h
2008/12/16 Johannes Schmid :
> Hi!
>
> I think this will end up again in the discussion if a translation can be
> considered a "derived work". We had this discussion for the license used
> in launchpad some while back.
>
> I think it's best to ask Luis Villa about it before putting the things
> in
2008/12/16 Simos Xenitellis :
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>> I'll try emailing one of the contact addresses and see what happens.
> Personally I would opt for an informal first email
Well, I took the email addresses for the translators of Metacity in
each case and sen
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 "Simos Xenitellis" wrote:
> Personally I would opt for an informal first email, just to elicit a
> reply before going into details.
[...]
> If direct contact does not bring a reply, then contacting through
> other people that are involved in African languages L10n would be
>
On 1/12/09, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 "Simos Xenitellis" wrote:
> > Personally I would opt for an informal first email, just to elicit a
> > reply before going into details.
> [...]
> > If direct contact does not bring a reply, then contacting through
> > other people that
Christian Rose píše v Po 12. 01. 2009 v 18:47 +0100:
> Well, we have an Afrikaans coordinator... :-) Friedel, do you have any
> input on this? Do you think perhaps www.translate.org.za could help
> out with this? I know these are not south african languages (they are
> west african languages), but
On 1/12/09, Andre Klapper wrote:
[...]
> As written before: These are all Nigerian languages.
> And I really wonder how asking the Japanese coordinator might improve
> the Nepali translation to list a strange but similar example.
> Ah yeah, it's both in Asia, right.
>
> Obviously not getting t
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 19:03 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Christian Rose píše v Po 12. 01. 2009 v 18:47 +0100:
> > Well, we have an Afrikaans coordinator... :-) Friedel, do you have any
> > input on this? Do you think perhaps www.translate.org.za could help
> > out with this? I know these are not s
I mounted the disk image and poked around a bit. There are no .po files in
the root filesystem, but there is a documentation folder:
/usr/share/doc/wazobia-release-1/ which contains licensing information,
including the GPL and a README/eula file that explain the contents of the
"CD" being licensed
Ysgrifennodd Chris Murphy:
I mounted the disk image and poked around a bit. There are no .po files
in the root filesystem, but there is a documentation folder:
/usr/share/doc/wazobia-release-1/ which contains licensing information,
including the GPL and a README/eula file that explain the cont
2009/1/13 Chris Murphy :
> it seems like they have explicitly selected the GPL?
I'm leaving the issue to the actual legal experts. Just noting that
assuming that we make sure the translations are actually GPL, we need
to be careful about using the translations in GNOME modules released
under LGPL
I chroot-ed into the image and played with rpm a bit - the files were
originally from a package called "locales-ng". I don't know anything about
the localization process, but at least some of them look like source files
of some sort. For somebody who knows more about localization, all the files
i
And for good measure I grabbed the files from the translations-[ha,ig,yo]
packages and tarred them up. Everything is available from the folder:
http://chrismurf.com/nigerian-translations/, including the files I
referenced earlier. Apologies for not consolidating emails.
- c
On Tue, Jan 13, 20
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Ysgrifennodd Chris Murphy:
>>
>> I mounted the disk image and poked around a bit. There are no .po files
>> in the root filesystem, but there is a documentation folder:
>> /usr/share/doc/wazobia-release-1/ which contains licensing informati
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>> Ysgrifennodd Chris Murphy:
>>>
>>> I mounted the disk image and poked around a bit. There are no .po files
>>> in the root filesystem, but there is a documentation folder:
>>> /usr/shar
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> And for good measure I grabbed the files from the translations-[ha,ig,yo]
> packages and tarred them up. Everything is available from the folder:
> http://chrismurf.com/nigerian-translations/, including the files I
> referenced earlier. Apol
Thanks for the suggestion to look for a LICENSE field - not really familiar
with RPMs and I didn't think to look for that. Good news! All four
packages (3 translations and then locales-ng) are listed as GPL in the RPM.
I've uploaded the results of:
rpm -qi $packagename
for each package to
http:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion to look for a LICENSE field - not really familiar
> with RPMs and I didn't think to look for that. Good news! All four
> packages (3 translations and then locales-ng) are listed as GPL in the RPM.
> I've uploaded th
Ysgrifennodd Luis Villa:
> So, I still think it is a good idea to contact the authors just to be
> sure (if for no other reason than they may be able to help the
> translations live on) but this seems like fairly decent confirmation
> that the information is licensed appropriately and can be used.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Shall I do the actual merge into svn, then? I'm happy to spend the
> hour or so it might take.
Please don't upload GPL translations to LGPL packages!
Roozbeh
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Ysgrifennodd Roozbeh Pournader:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>> Shall I do the actual merge into svn, then? I'm happy to spend the
>> hour or so it might take.
>
> Please don't upload GPL translations to LGPL packages!
Thanks for the reminder; it's also a reminder for
I'd say this clears up the licensing concerns. It's good to see people
taking licensing seriously and doing the homework necessary to make sure
GNOME's code is clean.
Chris Murphy wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion to look for a LICENSE field - not really
familiar with RPMs and I didn't think t
As far as I know, there is only the license metadata for the translations-ig
package itself, which is listed as GPL. The person who did the Igbo
translation was Sylvester Onye (sylves...@wazobialinux.com per a string in
the gnome-desktop*.mo file. Hausa was translated by saudat mohammed
, and th
2009/1/15 Chris Murphy :
> As far as I know, there is only the license metadata for the translations-ig
> package itself, which is listed as GPL. The person who did the Igbo
> translation was Sylvester Onye (sylves...@wazobialinux.com per a string in
> the gnome-desktop*.mo file. Hausa was transl
On 1/16/09, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> 2009/1/15 Chris Murphy :
> > As far as I know, there is only the license metadata for the translations-ig
> > package itself, which is listed as GPL. The person who did the Igbo
> > translation was Sylvester Onye (sylves...@wazobialinux.com per a string in
>
2009/1/17 Christian Rose :
> On 1/16/09, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>> A month ago, I contacted:
>> saudat mohammed
>> Sylvester Onye
>> Sunday Ayo Fajuyitan
>> The first two immediately bounced. The second has not replied.
>
> I assume you mean the third address?
Yes-- sorry.
I have since found
CC'ing kde-i18n-doc@ and GNOME's legal-l...@.
Everybody please take a second to think before hitting the "Reply to
all" button. Thanks. :-P
Start of this thread:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2008-December/msg00071.html
** QUICK SUMMARY: **
This is about http://www.gnome.org/~tthurm
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> So to me it boils down to the question: "Can we just take the .po files
> without asking anybody?" and (like Johannes wrote earlier) "if a
> translation can be considered a derived work."
The translations are probably derived work (dependin
Ysgrifennodd Roozbeh Pournader:
> It all boils down to if the actual software itself (Wazobia Linux, and
> its parts) was released under an (L)GPL(-compatible) license or not.
http://wazobialinux.com/software_philosoph.html and
http://wazobialinux.com/software_developer.html claim it was release
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Should I go and find the person who sent me the .mo files and ask them for
> the iso and look somewhere on it for the licence, and if so, any idea where?
> I don't fancy booting off some random iso off the net just to see whether
> it puts
Ysgrifennodd Roozbeh Pournader:
> License screens don't really matter. The actual license files on the
> disc do (or so I believe). So, mounting the ISO and dissecting it may
> be sufficient. No need to boot from it.
Thanks. The ISO seems to have vanished, but there's a 480Mb disk image
here, w
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Ysgrifennodd Roozbeh Pournader:
>> License screens don't really matter. The actual license files on the
>> disc do (or so I believe). So, mounting the ISO and dissecting it may
>> be sufficient. No need to boot from it.
>
> Thanks. The ISO
Ysgrifennodd Luis Villa:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
Thanks. The ISO seems to have vanished, but there's a 480Mb disk image
here, which seems to be where the .mo files came from:
http://wazobialinux.com/downloads/wlce.hda.img.21.09.2006
Could someone who knows what
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Ysgrifennodd Luis Villa:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Thomas Thurman
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks. The ISO seems to have vanished, but there's a 480Mb disk image
>>> here, which seems to be where the .mo files came from:
>>>
>>> http
Hi,
Andre Klapper wrote:
> This is about http://www.gnome.org/~tthurman/yo-ha-ig/ .
> These are .po files extracted from a Nigerian distro called "Wazobia
> Linux".
> Several KDE and GNOME applications were translated into the three
> languages in the subject line, a user has found a disk image, e
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Andre Klapper wrote:
>> This is about http://www.gnome.org/~tthurman/yo-ha-ig/ .
>> These are .po files extracted from a Nigerian distro called "Wazobia
>> Linux".
>> Several KDE and GNOME applications were translated into the three
>> l
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:43:51PM -0500, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Maybe in future we need to make the gettext tools enforce a rule that
> the header block of a .po file contains licence information, instead of
> assuming it's okay to leave it in the comments.
Then we should also enforce compil
Ysgrifennodd Marcel Telka:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:43:51PM -0500, Thomas Thurman wrote:
Maybe in future we need to make the gettext tools enforce a rule that
the header block of a .po file contains licence information, instead of
assuming it's okay to leave it in the comments.
Then we sh
Luis Villa wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi,
Andre Klapper wrote:
This is about http://www.gnome.org/~tthurman/yo-ha-ig/ .
These are .po files extracted from a Nigerian distro called "Wazobia
Linux".
Several KDE and GNOME applications were translated into the three
Hi Thomas,
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:57:14AM -0500, Thomas Thurman wrote:
> Ysgrifennodd Marcel Telka:
>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:43:51PM -0500, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>>> Maybe in future we need to make the gettext tools enforce a rule that
>>> the header block of a .po file contains licence
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