Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-16T11:29:25-0300 Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > However --- taking the same hook I used in a 20min talk I gave about > free/libre software movement in May 12th on a city nearby --- functional > data has some features that distinguish it from other digital goods: > > a) sequence of orders e

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-16 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-16T01:08:07-0400 bill-auger wrote: > i think adonay is mostly echo-ing my point that it is a shame that the > complete corresponding source requirement is not encouraged or even > mentioned as a option for artworks by those who have taken it upon > themselves to define "free culture" for ev

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-15 Thread bill-auger
i think adonay is mostly echo-ing my point that it is a shame that the complete corresponding source requirement is not encouraged or even mentioned as a option for artworks by those who have taken it upon themselves to define "free culture" for everyone else - without that, there is nothing to dis

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-15 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
I'm reminded of that long discussion also in Parabola's mailing lists when their social contract was being remade. If I recall correctly, both Parabola and Hyperbola seem to be describing a practice which is similar to my personal one: I'm a listener/reader/watcher/viewer of at-least-shareable no

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-15 Thread bill-auger
Benoît - it seems that the impression you took of my suggestion for splitting the criteria into separate threads was to only discuss one issue criteria at a time and then wait for a conclusion before moving on to the next criteria - i only meant that separate threads make the discussions more clea

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-15 Thread Benoît
Regarding all the discussion (made on the other generic thread [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola evaluation, it is like this point is passed unanimously. If you don't see an objection I will close this point and I will open another Thread for another criteria. On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 11:43:10AM +020

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-14 Thread Ineiev
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 09:51:31AM -0400, bill-auger wrote: > On Mon, 2018-05-14 at 05:16 -0400, Ineiev wrote: > > In fact, many free software licenses have provisions > > against misrepresentation of the origin: I can't modify > > a program and say that it comes from the original authors > > uncha

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-14 Thread bill-auger
On Mon, 2018-05-14 at 05:16 -0400, Ineiev wrote: > In fact, many free software licenses have provisions > against misrepresentation of the origin: I can't modify > a program and say that it comes from the original authors > unchanged; this still doesn't make that program nonfree > in the sense of m

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-14 Thread Ineiev
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 08:54:23AM +0200, Jean Louis wrote: > > I think there is something seriously wrong with > those people who designed "free culture" to be > "free" to change other people's opinion > statements. > > How can a thought spoken by somebody at one point of > time be modifiable in

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread Jean Louis
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 11:48:22PM -0400, Luke Shumaker wrote: > It doesn't say that "works stating a viewpoint" are inherently not > Free Culture, it says that they are not *required* to be Free Culture, > unless they are produced "by or for" Parabola (Hyperbola), in which > case they are required

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread Luke Shumaker
On Sun, 13 May 2018 09:47:22 -0400, bill-auger wrote: > > Citing from: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:social_contract > > > Hyperbola is free culture: All documentation and > > cultural works included in Hyperbola are free > > culture, with the exceptions of: works stating a > >

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread bill-auger
Citing from: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:social_contract > Hyperbola is free culture: All documentation and > cultural works included in Hyperbola are free > culture, with the exceptions of: works stating a > viewpoint, invariant sections and cover texts. All > documentation an

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread bill-auger
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:03:33AM +0100, Michael Dorrington wrote: >> If Hyperbola is Free Culture then it won't be including the Emacs manual >> nor the GCC manual nor anything else under GFDL with "invariant >> sections". On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:31:49AM +0100, Michael Dorrington wrote: >

[GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread Benoît
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:31:49AM +0100, Michael Dorrington wrote: Because they are not under Free Culture licences, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_Free_Cultural_Works No need to re-go through the arguments, the FSF simple don't believe that all their (or anyone else's) works