Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-11 Thread Diego Saravia
2009/9/11 Yavor Doganov > This discussion is pointless, but anyway... > > Diego Saravia wrote: > > it will be a system incapable of autogenerating its sofware, > > Not if the bugs that are left behind are fixed. Which was the whole > point of my initial comment -- rm'ing is easy, the hard part i

[GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-11 Thread Yavor Doganov
This discussion is pointless, but anyway... Diego Saravia wrote: > it will be a system incapable of autogenerating its sofware, Not if the bugs that are left behind are fixed. Which was the whole point of my initial comment -- rm'ing is easy, the hard part is to fix the mess after the rm action.

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-11 Thread Diego Saravia
2009/9/11 Yavor Doganov > Diego Saravia wrote: > > so you can't remove TeX without removing all gnu system > > You can. It would be a crippled system (especially having in mind > that there's no reason to remove TeX), but you can. > > > > it will be a system incapable of autogenerating its sof

[GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Yavor Doganov
Diego Saravia wrote: > so you can't remove TeX without removing all gnu system You can. It would be a crippled system (especially having in mind that there's no reason to remove TeX), but you can.

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Diego Saravia
2009/9/10 Yavor Doganov > Diego Saravia wrote: > > > Texinfo != TeX > > > > > yes, but It do not use TeX? > > Why don't you look at its dependencies? > I use it, so I know the situation > > You don't need TeX to produce a document in Info format from Texinfo > source. And all GNU packages sh

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Karl Berry
diego> probably all gnu project must be removed, they use texinfo, Sorry, but you're completely wrong. Please find the facts before posting far-reaching flame-bait statements. yavor> Debian (Norbert & Frank, who are also active upstream, right?) Yes. Especially Norbert. He implemente

[GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Yavor Doganov
Diego Saravia wrote: > > Texinfo != TeX > > > yes, but It do not use TeX? Why don't you look at its dependencies? You don't need TeX to produce a document in Info format from Texinfo source. And all GNU packages ship prebuilt Info manuals, so even Texinfo is not a dependency (unless you make mod

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Diego Saravia
2009/9/10 Yavor Doganov > Diego Saravia wrote: > > probably all gnu project must be removed, they use texinfo, > > Texinfo != TeX > > yes, but It do not use TeX? > Anyway, my point wss that if a package must be removed (which is not > the case for TeX Live, I believe), all the relevant bugs tha

[GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Yavor Doganov
Diego Saravia wrote: > probably all gnu project must be removed, they use texinfo, Texinfo != TeX Anyway, my point wss that if a package must be removed (which is not the case for TeX Live, I believe), all the relevant bugs that result from the removal ought to be fixed, one way or another.

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Diego Saravia
probably all gnu project must be removed, they use texinfo, 2009/9/10 Yavor Doganov > Karl Berry wrote: > > In short, I see no reason to blacklist texlive. > > Blacklisting it would result in release-critical bugs in roughly 1/4 > of the packages, as they will fail to build and/or work at all.

[GNU-linux-libre] Re: Non-free packages in debian lenny

2009-09-10 Thread Yavor Doganov
Karl Berry wrote: > In short, I see no reason to blacklist texlive. Blacklisting it would result in release-critical bugs in roughly 1/4 of the packages, as they will fail to build and/or work at all. Too many things (build-)depend on TeX (nothing wrong in that, of course). Debian (Norbert & Fra