Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Herr Professor: giving away coupons activity by Microsoft is meaningless and useless

2007-05-19 Thread David Kastrup
always funny to see GNUtians (free as in freedom) arguing for copyright to be interpreted open end, so to speak. It _is_ more or less being interpreted open end. For some of their interpretations, the FSF would certainly not mind being shown wrong in court. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15

Re: GPL question

2007-05-17 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you say: Big deal, I won't link it then. The customer has to do it. Now if the only conceivable use of the software _is_ to link it to a free version of the software, the linking

Re: GPL question

2007-05-17 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the GPL only covers distribution. And copyright law covers derivatives. So what authorises you to make a derivative of a GPLed program? I thought the FSF's view

Re: GPL question

2007-05-17 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So presumably the idea is that the two acts together constitute distribution of a derivative work? If so - to go back to my earlier example - is the distribution of the Aquamacs

Re: GPL question

2007-05-16 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Defined interfaces are not usually considered to create copyrightable entities as long as they don't contain sufficient creative content by themselves. This is interesting, because

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread David Kastrup
have a clue what an IPO is about? One does them _exactly_ because one is expected to _invest_ the startup money with a long-term goal of building a sustainable business. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu

Re: Question about GPL theft

2007-04-16 Thread David Kastrup
, and can claim damages if he can make a plausible case for them. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Question about license legality

2007-04-16 Thread David Kastrup
yet, redistribution requires an individual license. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-04-01 Thread David Kastrup
bunch of genuine DVDs with latest Hollywood animation blockbusters for his newly adopted child). Looking at your date header, you are still 50 minutes early for the first of April. Couldn't wait for an excuse for your smear, eh? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-04-01 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup writes: Looking at your date header, you are still 50 minutes early for the first of April. Couldn't wait for an excuse for your smear, eh? He just can't conceive of the existence of a person who would not jump at any chance to grab gobs

Re: GPL question

2007-03-13 Thread David Kastrup
. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: mp3 patent fines and ogg

2007-02-24 Thread David Kastrup
: on the day that two army corps can mutually annihilate each other in a second, all civilised nations will surely recoil with horror and disband their troops. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL version 3 comments

2006-12-27 Thread David Kastrup
article about operating systems instead of blowing smoke? URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system is pretty close to the established CS definition of operating system. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Free Software Law Center and the FSF repudiated the GPL

2006-12-23 Thread David Kastrup
. A subset of the excerpts he posts is both on-topic as well as interesting. While the quality of his postings take a sharp dive whenever he adds original content, the stuff he borrows is sometimes readable. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Using a script licensed under GPL in an application licensed under a license that's not compatible with GPL

2006-12-15 Thread David Kastrup
it is compiled by inclusion. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-05 Thread David Kastrup
cubism. The absoluteness would fade away if there were others that could be bothered and/or capable to a similar degree. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
. That is the reason that he enthusiastically posts all details of ongoing court cases, then getting completely baffled by the actual verdicts, calling the judges drunk, insane, brain-washed and other things because he can't reconcile the verdicts with his interpretation of the proceedings of the case. -- David

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
which he tended to tack before or after (often interesting!) material more consistently at one point of time, when he is adding material of his own, it is rather obvious in its inclinations. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc

Re: gpl licensing

2006-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
that the overall benefits would be worth losing both restrictions and protection possible by copyright. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc

Re: day5done reports: IBM no longer matters

2006-11-30 Thread David Kastrup
as Cygwin, embedded stuff and quite a few other items). But of course they are still differently positioned. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu

Re: License Dilemma

2006-11-29 Thread David Kastrup
be constrained by patent law. anybody and public are not separable. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: License Dilemma

2006-11-29 Thread David Kastrup
Dmitry V. Gorbatovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Dmitry V. Gorbatovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Hasler wrote: Then keep it secret. It is indeed possible. And I can sell just results of using it. But let me remind you , that all point of patent law is to give

Re: License Dilemma

2006-11-29 Thread David Kastrup
. This is getting sillier by the minute. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: License Dilemma

2006-11-29 Thread David Kastrup
Dmitry V. Gorbatovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Dmitry V. Gorbatovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Hasler wrote: David is telling you what patents do. You are giving the conventional rationalization for doing it. Two different things. Huh, NO, its me who

Re: Question to GPL LGPL

2006-11-25 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Got to doctor, ams. High time, too. What did he tell you? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Question to GPL LGPL

2006-11-25 Thread David Kastrup
like to hire an assistant to work full-time. Don't worry, you'd never get the gig ;) Well, he is already working fulltime for free software on this group, so what would be the point? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Question to GPL LGPL

2006-11-25 Thread David Kastrup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sáb, 2006-11-25 às 20:56 +0100, David Kastrup escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sáb, 2006-11-25 às 13:34 +0100, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Are you employed by ansol? I bet you're The President. No? :-) ANSOL

Re: IBM's interpretation of the GNU GPL contract

2006-11-24 Thread David Kastrup
. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: software patents

2006-11-15 Thread David Kastrup
, but it certainly can cover the implementation. Therefore no copyright license can ever effect the code implementing a software patent. Uh what? The code is not the same as a single patented idea. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc

Re: Novell-MS Pact: Mono blah-blah

2006-11-10 Thread David Kastrup
it for less. And that can impact business models quite seriously. But it is a hurdle that one can't blame Easterbrook for. It is inherent to free software as a distribution model. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Novell-MS Pact: Mono blah-blah

2006-11-10 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... GPL _software_ copies ...] But it is a hurdle that one can't blame Easterbrook for. Wallace's claim has absolutely nothing to do with software COPIES (material objects), retard. Who said it was? -- David Kastrup

Re: EASTERBROOK's quick look on the GPL and Wallace's claim

2006-11-10 Thread David Kastrup
and redistribute derivative works without asking the original author? In fact, this is pretty much what copyright law intends to prohibit. and *require* to charge zero to cover costs of creating a piece of intellectual property to exist. Impeccable logic. Glass house. -- David Kastrup

Re: EASTERBROOK's quick look on the GPL and Wallace's claim

2006-11-10 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LOL. backinfullforce commented (quoting smarty EASTERBROOK): -- Copyright law gives authors *a right* to charge more, so that they can recover their fixed costs

Re: EASTERBROOK's quick look on the GPL and Wallace's claim

2006-11-10 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Last time I looked, the case _did_ involve copyright. For the past ten years a software copyright and patent license has been circulated by way of the Internet. So you agree. Copyleft requires all licensees

Re: EASTERBROOK's quick look on the GPL and Wallace's claim

2006-11-09 Thread David Kastrup
, help me out! ;-) ;-) It is not like I did not both predict the outcome from the appellate court as well as your response to it. But being able to predict your reaction is not the same as being able to change it, so I am afraid that I can't help you there. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793

Re: EASTERBROOK's quick look on the GPL and Wallace's claim

2006-11-09 Thread David Kastrup
, either. His job was not to interpret the GPL, but to see whether there was substance to the appellation. Namely to figure out whether the case as established by the previous court was lead or decided incorrectly. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Groklaw watcher: Novell got $240 million from MS for SUSE subscriptions and $108 million for patent something

2006-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
, and from nobody less than Microsoft. If that is not going to get them backlash by typical customers, I'd be very much surprised. I can't imagine this to be a good PR move for most of their targeted clientele. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
three, but I don't believe it's the case there either. I don't think a copyright transfer makes even remote sense without an identifiable legal entity as the recipient. When a project is community-driven like Debian, this would not really seem the case. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] intended by the licensor: yes, the copyright holder has the control There are limitations, such as free (of copyright control) distribution of copies lawfully made and free (of copyright control) modification

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
as it is. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
it depends on local copyright laws. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-19 Thread David Kastrup
, not transferring them to anybody else. Fine difference. Anyway, does anybody else find moral rights a most peculiar expression in such a legal clause? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
of rights to maintain your code under GPL2 (optionally or later for the case that this will become an option at some point of time) in Linux. It will be (C) Sun then, but the Linux kernel policies don't mind mixed copyrights. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
(and not the FSF which is a charity, anyway), I'd sure wish them success in their endeavors. It's the whole _point_ of what they do. Leveraging their own work for getting the most freedom [in the form of freely available source code for software] for the general public. -- David Kastrup

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
for doing his job? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
assignment, the right place to contribute and assign to, in my opinion, is upstream. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Uh, why should he? The law is his profession. Since when should a person not get paid for doing his job? Are you getting paid for doing your GNU job? I am not getting paid for the voluntary work I do within the GNU

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] I am not getting paid for the voluntary work I do within the GNU project, which is neither my job nor part of my job description. The And what is your job description? I'm just curious: once and for all, are you

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
copyrights to anybody else that would, then there is no point in asking for copyright assignments. And actually in this case the point of picking GPL over BSD license would also be just sending a message rather than making a legal difference. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
Stephen Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: The unlinked work may be affected, too, if its purpose can't be met without linking, and thus the act of linking from the enduser becomes a formality instead of an available technical option. However, if there are practical uses

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
(and anyway, since the library is available identically in a non-free version, one can't claim the particular protection of the GPLed version), but there is also a murky borderline where things become less clear even when the compiling and/or linking is done at the client side. -- David Kastrup

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
a copy of the GPLed software for the purpose of circumventing the GPL is included, the status of this copy and its use appears more than doubtful to me. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: [...] Once you start transforming it through compilers and linkers the picture might change, depending on how much of the library is included

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:32:34 +0200 David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I write an original program that happens to use your GPLed library. I license my source code under a non-Free license

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs To the OP: not sure how expensive it is but Trolltech offers other licenses. But he won't need a license if he does not include Qt. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:51:48 +0200 David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An original program in source code format, and contains function and/or system calls does not consist of revisions

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
is quite moot, since an API-compatible library (Qt commercial) under a different license is available, and so source code written for Qt does not require a GPLed library version to run. The code might be useless without Qt, but not so without _GPLed_ Qt. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-17 Thread David Kastrup
Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:49:05 +0200 David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You define based on for source code as not runnable in compiled format without the library and containing references to the library's API. The way I would define based

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
would build a binary would then have to discard the part of the dual-license that is incompatible with the library that got used. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
construed your references to state. Wait, I must have got that wrong is something that never occurs to you. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
to the GPLed library (for example, if an API-compatible different library exists that could be employed equally well), then the case might become shaky where the distribution of the unlinked executable or the source is concerned. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
Merijn de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2006-10-16, David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Merijn de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The more correct terminology is that the OP can only distribute the resulting (i.e. linked) work as a whole under the GPL. If he cannot do

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
see where you get that idea. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
reliability and groundedness in reality. Common sense helps quite a bit in sifting the information, and where one wants to get the FSF's input on the legal ramifications of a license they at least designed, use, and defend, this is also easily available. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-16 Thread David Kastrup
by the GPL is affected by non-GPLed libraries. It is certainly not by the non-GPLed libraries suddenly becoming derivatives of any other code. It is disingenuous to cut away that passage and then protest that I did not provide anything like it. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread David Kastrup
project, one is responsible for implementing the GNU policies. That's not a matter of freedom of speech, but of doing the task one has been appointed for. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-09 Thread David Kastrup
[Superseded because of the last specified link not being to the point] Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] From offical dutites, yes, because Thomas went against the policies

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
to the masses that was sorely lacking. But I consider it a stretch, anyway. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can linux kernel claim they distribute the kernel under conditions of GPL v2, while they use modified version of GPL v2 They did not modify GPLv2. They most certinally did. You can see file COPYING yourself

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can linux kernel claim they distribute the kernel under conditions of GPL v2, while they use modified version of GPL v2 They did not modify GPLv2. (thanks to this modification glibc doesnt

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:31:53 +0200 David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any evidence of the term kernel being used before, or actually even outside of UNIX? I quoted this section from Ralston's Encyclopedia of Computer Science

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Point taken. However it means library turns into kernel is still there and waiting. Kernel is pretty different than a library. It has threads of its own. Where do you get those ideas? Which ones? That the license note by Torvalds has

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not really. I am looking for reason, why some programs using kernel can be not-GPL, while programs using GPL library has to be GPL. It depends on whether the program can work without this _specific_ library

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Stefaan A Eeckels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:23:50 +0200 David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I am the author of a CP/M 2.2 BIOS that has seen some moderate distribution, and I don't remember ever coming across either the term kernel or nucleus in connection

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
it would be hard to see how it could be used as a defense in a GPL case. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can be not-GPL, while programs using GPL library has to be GPL. It depends on whether the program can work without this _specific_ library or kernel. So... tell me about kernel I can easily switch

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Can glibc work without linux kernel? See URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ports.html. Playing idiot as usual, dak? Don't see why that would be inappropriate. http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/?cvsroot

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
be more specific on Depends on library in question... No. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
be requirement to heed the conditions for derived works. But the availability of libedit is certainly a setback for the positive effects for free software promulgation due to readline being GPL. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
over time. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Can linux kernel claim it uses GPL v2?

2006-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
about Hurd: URL:http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484 URL:http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html Very readable, by the way, apart from the Hurd angle. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
of technologically sound (that is an Open Source buzzphrase), so it is a red herring to blame him on that base. And why somebody with personal ethics should be hindered from winning others for his goals is beyond me. Cedric Beust -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
development have become known to more people. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
saying that is was used pretty much synonymously. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
find that while UNIX including its central utilities is often informally referred to as the system, the more formal term operating system, stemming from computer science, is commonly reserved to mean the kernel itself. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- raya's research on The Four Freedoms

2006-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
about operating system being applied to whole systems including applications? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: What DMCA stands for

2006-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
does it have to do with censorship? The point was not to replace one misleading name with a more misleading one. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman

Re: What DMCA stands for

2006-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
not censorship, but more like (if we want to use a C word) confiscation. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Using GPL software

2006-10-01 Thread David Kastrup
? Depends on the details. It sounds unlikely, but the description is so unspecific that it is hard to tell. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu

Re: Using GPL software

2006-10-01 Thread David Kastrup
the wave file with some graphics to make into a video file.. does that propertiary software be affected by the GPL program? It does not sound like it if make use of a GPL program means just calling the unchanged GPL executable with command line arguments. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15

Re: Using GPL software

2006-10-01 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: It does not sound like it, as I said. Reading the GPL FAQ, it says You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program? Yes

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-30 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] What one buys is the book, which is the media prepared by the printer But that's not what King sells to publishers and not what he was selling on the net in The Plant experiment. Intangibles can also be sold, retard

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-29 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you please stop your mud throwing campaigns? It is not useful. Your notions of mud throwing and useful are similarly ill-conceived. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___ gnu-misc

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-29 Thread David Kastrup
Al Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:51:06 +0200, David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Al Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, in the English-speaking world, free is almost always (let's say by millions to one, at least) used, when used with a product, to mean

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-29 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Software is not sold. http://cryptome.org/softman-v-adobe.htm You are confusing software and media. The media are sold, and access to software is sold. The software itself is an arrangement of information, interior

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-29 Thread David Kastrup
Roger Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Free speech, free press, free software, patent free, free arts? Free gas, free milk, free beer? Those happen not to be subject to copyright. You and many others in the open source movement I am not in the open source

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-29 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Software is not sold. http://cryptome.org/softman-v-adobe.htm You are confusing software and media. I'm confusing nothing, stupid dak

Re: Open source - Free software

2006-09-28 Thread David Kastrup
dislike it all you want, but you can't legitimately claim that it didn't happen, and ignoring it will simply lead to confusion in discussions like this. So will ignoring the fact that free any product in commerce means without charge. Like free press? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793

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