John Hasler wrote:
[...]
> you'd go to prison. In any case the original question was about going to
> prison solely due to inability to pay a debt. That isn't going to happen
Simply put, in Germany it works this way:
1. The creditor privately sends a reminder about debt.
(no response)
2. Th
David Kastrup writes:
> Seizing is hard without any cooperation, and that is where the prison may
> come in: not complying with a court order.
In the US the creditors get a court order authorizing seizure, which in
this context means taking by force. If you punch out the deputy you'll get
arreste
I wrote:
> In the US inability to pay a debt can never result in imprisonment.
Andreas Röhler writes:
> What happened to Martha Stewart?
Nothing that had anything to do with inability or unwillingness to pay a
debt. In fact, nothing having anything to do with a debt at all.
--
John Hasler
[EMA
Am Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 schrieb Miles Bader:
> Andreas Röhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Maybe take some books from Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn
> > and read about your political and legal system.
>
> Ah, you're one of _those_...
>
> I was wondering where your (rather incoherent,
It's a com
Andreas Röhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Maybe take some books from Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn
> and read about your political and legal system.
Ah, you're one of _those_...
I was wondering where your (rather incoherent, but that might have been
a language problem) ranting was leading.
-Mil
Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 schrieb John Hasler:
> I wrote:
> > In the US inability to pay a debt can never result in imprisonment.
Sure? It sounds fairly naive.
Maybe take some books from Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn
and read about your political and legal system.
BTW What happened to Martha
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup writes:
>> I think if you _don't_ declare personal bankruptcy, prison is actually an
>> option of the courts (if the readily accessible belongings can't cover
>> your debts).
>
> I don't think it is here. I believe that the creditors can fil
David Kastrup writes:
> I think if you _don't_ declare personal bankruptcy, prison is actually an
> option of the courts (if the readily accessible belongings can't cover
> your debts).
I don't think it is here. I believe that the creditors can file a petition
for involuntary bankruptcy (one does
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I wrote:
>> In the US inability to pay a debt can never result in imprisonment. I
>> doubt that it can in Germany.
>
> David Kastrup writes:
>> You have to declare personal bankruptcy which requires giving all your
>> personal financial details to the res
I wrote:
> In the US inability to pay a debt can never result in imprisonment. I
> doubt that it can in Germany.
David Kastrup writes:
> You have to declare personal bankruptcy which requires giving all your
> personal financial details to the respective court and swearing that you
> have nothing
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Andreas Röhler writes:
>> Now imagine someone loses his case accused of GPL-violation and can't pay
>> the court's fees or indemnities. That's fairly possible as his business,
>> missing GPLed software then, might go bankrupt same time. Do you image a
>> c
John Hasler wrote:
[...]
>
> In the US inability to pay a debt can never result in imprisonment. I
> doubt that it can in Germany.
GNUtian dak might want to illuminate uncle Hasler... here's some links.
http://dejure.org/gesetze/ZPO/901.html
http://dejure.org/gesetze/ZPO/913.html
http://de.w
Andreas Röhler writes:
> Now imagine someone loses his case accused of GPL-violation and can't pay
> the court's fees or indemnities. That's fairly possible as his business,
> missing GPLed software then, might go bankrupt same time. Do you image a
> court, who sends a mother to prison for 10 or 20
Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 schrieb John Hasler:
> I wrote:
> > Please define human dignity.
>
> Andreas Röhler writes:
> > Maybe let's regard a picture to grasp it. Let's look at Nelson Mandela.
>
> A politician.
>
Indeed. Point is yours. :)
Andreas Röhler
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Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 schrieb Ciaran O'Riordan:
>
> Andreas Röhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Make the check against reality: What with the high
> > ranking persons committing all this while making false
> > claims against Iraq?
>
> And where are your examples of people in jail for vio
I wrote:
> Please define human dignity.
Andreas Röhler writes:
> Maybe let's regard a picture to grasp it. Let's look at Nelson Mandela.
A politician.
I wrote:
> The GPL is neither law nor treaty.
Andreas Röhler writes:
> Don't we say licence agreement? Is an agreement not like a treaty?
Not
I'm not sure I follow the logic of this thread, but since grey areas and
Nelson Mandela both got mentioned, you might like this blog entry about
Mandela being taken of the USA's list of terrorists:
http://blogs.sun.com/paulj/entry/when_is_a_sunni_fundamentalist
--
Ciarán O'Riordan, +32 477 36
Andreas Röhler wrote:
[...]
> > The GPL is neither law nor treaty.
>
> Don't we say licence agreement? Is an agreement not like a treaty?
Mr. GNU President RMS and GNU Reichsminister für Volksaufklärung und
Propaganda Eben call it "The Constitution" (of the GNU Republic, I
suppose).
http://www
Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb John Hasler:
> Andreas Röhler writes:
> > First thing is human dignity...
>
> Please define human dignity.
>
Maybe let's regard a picture to grasp it.
Let's look at Nelson Mandela. It's visible.
> > ...the right of free speech is derived from it.
>
> So you sa
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Do you have a
> car/house/children, Ciaran?
One thing I have is privacy, so I won't answer your questions about my
personal life. But thanks for your interest.
About philosophy, yes, I back RMS's philosophy about living cheaply, even if
I don't i
Andreas Röhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Make the check against reality: What with the high
> ranking persons committing all this while making false
> claims against Iraq?
And where are your examples of people in jail for violating the GPL?
--
Ciarán O'Riordan, +32 477 36 44 19, http://cia
Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Ciaran O'Riordan:
>
> Andreas Röhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > we should not risk being injailed for our publishings
>
> So, authors should have no responsibilities and all laws of libel, slander,
> perjury, etc. should be deleted?
>
[ ... ]
Hi Ciarán,
m
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
[...]
> Also, it seems your point is that copyright law is unethical, not
> specifically the GPL.
>
> This is back to the age old question of whether free speech means I can
> shout "Fire!" in a packed cinema. (I suppose "Bomb!" is the modern
> version.)
Justice Ruth Bad
Andreas Röhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> we should not risk being injailed for our publishings
So, authors should have no responsibilities and all laws of libel, slander,
perjury, etc. should be deleted?
Also, it seems your point is that copyright law is unethical, not
specifically the GPL.
Andreas Röhler writes:
> First thing is human dignity...
Please define human dignity.
> ...the right of free speech is derived from it.
So you say.
> As we are human beings, we should not risk being injailed for our
> publishings for example, as it's the case nowadays.
Less so nowadays than th
Hi all,
three subject items written in reverse order with regard to
their importance:
First thing is human dignity, the right of free speech
is derived from it. As we are human beings, we should
not risk being injailed for our publishings for
example, as it's the case nowadays.
From human digni
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