* Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us [110227 05:30]:
If you look at the characteristics of the actual messages encrypted mail
is very similar whether it's in-line or MIME. It's signed messages that
make things interesting because the signature in a MIME message is
actually (sort of) an
* Todd A. Jacobs codegnome.consult...@gmail.com [110227 04:02]:
Here are the steps I needed to take under Ubuntu 10.10 to get this
particular reader working properly as a mortal user.
You could also have run the script [1] linked from the only up-to-date
OpenPGP smartcard howto [2] I'm aware
* Grant Olson k...@grant-olson.net [110227 04:11]:
I usually just leave it in until I leave the computer for lunch or a
meeting or whatever.
Same here, but I always take the card with me if I leave the room.
One thing I didn't realize at first, is that once you've unlocked either
your
On Saturday, February 26, 2011, MFPA wrote:
Hi
On Friday 25 February 2011 at 1:45:03 AM, in
mid:87lj14x4yo@servo.finestructure.net, Jameson Rollins wrote:
Yikes! I thought we were almost done killing inline
signatures! Don't revive it now!
If PGP/MIME is broken on android,
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:43, br...@frogandbear.net said:
I do find it a little odd that GnuPG's very own (and from the looks of
it, old) documentation (1) lists the 3121 as a supported reader, along
with several other outdated models.
Sorry for that, the howto is a bit outdated. Omnikey based
On 2/26/11 9:24 PM, Jameson Rollins wrote:
http://josefsson.org/inline-openpgp-considered-harmful.html
* IT DOESN'T HANDLE ATTACHMENTS. That's fine with me: 95%+ of my
messages don't require attachments. Any technology that can hit 95% of
the use case is fine by me.
* IT DOESN'T LIKE
Hi All,
I recently installed GPA. I'm trying to locate a friend's public key
by either name or email address. GPA appears to only offer Key ID
(which I don't have).
Does anyone have tricks for locating a key by name or email?
Thanks,
Jeff
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On 02/27/2011 12:21 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
On 2/26/11 9:24 PM, Jameson Rollins wrote:
http://josefsson.org/inline-openpgp-considered-harmful.html
* IT DOESN'T HANDLE ATTACHMENTS. That's fine with me: 95%+ of my
messages don't require attachments. Any technology that can hit 95% of
* David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com [110227 19:22]:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about OpenPGP?
100% agreed. Thank you!
Martin
pgpOXtxwgzgho.pgp
Description: PGP signature
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On 02/27/2011 11:40 AM, Werner Koch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 06:43, br...@frogandbear.net said:
I do find it a little odd that GnuPG's very own (and from the looks of
it, old) documentation (1) lists the 3121 as a supported reader, along
with several other outdated models.
Sorry for
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:54, noloa...@gmail.com said:
I recently installed GPA. I'm trying to locate a friend's public key
by either name or email address. GPA appears to only offer Key ID
(which I don't have).
You have to use the command line:
gpg2 --search-key f...@example.org
then
On 2/27/11 1:13 PM, David Tomaschik wrote:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about OpenPGP?
1. Why are you sending them signed emails anyway?
2. And seeing strange MIME attachments doesn't confuse people?
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com wrote:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about
OpenPGP?
Meh. If anything, inline signatures sparked conversation.
- --
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
* Robert J. Hansen r...@sixdemonbag.org [110227 20:28]:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about OpenPGP?
1. Why are you sending them signed emails anyway?
I sign *all* my e-mail except for messages sent from my mobile (in that
case, my signature tells the receiver why
Hi,
I once hoped the discussion about MIME vs. crufty inline signatures has
been settled a long time ago. Today that even Microsoft Outlook handles
it correctly for more than 7 years, the new excuse seems to be some
buggy new mail applications. I don't buy such an excuse. MIME is so
primitive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
On 02/27/2011 02:37 PM, Martin Gollowitzer wrote:
* Robert J. Hansen r...@sixdemonbag.org [110227 20:28]:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about OpenPGP?
1. Why are you sending them signed emails anyway?
I sign *all*
On 2/27/11 2:37 PM, Martin Gollowitzer wrote:
I sign *all* my e-mail except for messages sent from my mobile (in that
case, my signature tells the receiver why the message is not signed and
offers the receiver to request a signed proof of authenticity later) or
messages to people who can't
On Sunday 27 February 2011, Aaron Toponce wrote:
David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com wrote:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about
OpenPGP?
Meh. If anything, inline signatures sparked conversation.
Yeah. I think we should stop this pointless discussion. I doubt
Provider: Boost
Manufacturer: Motorola
Model: I1
Droid version: 1.5
This phone has two mail applications by default, one called 'email' and
another called 'gmail'. Both displayed PGP/MIME messages without any
trouble. Neither verified sigs of course.
I see no easy way to determine the version
On Feb 27, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
2. And seeing strange MIME attachments doesn't confuse people?
Less than strange text fragments at the head and the bottom of a message
(Some people even think they are being spammed when they see inline PGP
data), because an attachment
On 02/27/2011 12:37 PM, Martin Gollowitzer wrote:
I sign *all* my e-mail except for messages sent from my mobile (in that
case, my signature tells the receiver why the message is not signed and
offers the receiver to request a signed proof of authenticity later) or
messages to people who can't
On 02/27/2011 02:04, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
On Saturday, February 26, 2011, MFPA wrote:
Hi
On Friday 25 February 2011 at 1:45:03 AM, in
mid:87lj14x4yo@servo.finestructure.net, Jameson Rollins wrote:
Yikes! I thought we were almost done killing inline
signatures! Don't revive it now!
If
On 02/27/2011 00:25, Martin Gollowitzer wrote:
* Doug Bartondo...@dougbarton.us [110227 05:30]:
If you look at the characteristics of the actual messages encrypted mail
is very similar whether it's in-line or MIME. It's signed messages that
make things interesting because the signature in a
On Feb 27, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
On 2/27/11 2:37 PM, Martin Gollowitzer wrote:
I sign *all* my e-mail except for messages sent from my mobile (in that
case, my signature tells the receiver why the message is not signed and
offers the receiver to request a signed proof of
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
El 27-02-2011 15:30, Martin Gollowitzer escribió:
* David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com [110227 19:22]:
How about inline confuses users who don't know anything about OpenPGP?
100% agreed. Thank you!
IMHO they would be even more
On 02/27/2011 11:36, Werner Koch wrote:
Hi,
I once hoped the discussion about MIME vs. crufty inline signatures has
been settled a long time ago.
I love/admire your optimism. :)
Today that even Microsoft Outlook handles
it correctly for more than 7 years, the new excuse seems to be some
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
Grant Olson k...@grant-olson.net wrote:
Provider: Boost
Manufacturer: Motorola
Model: I1
Droid version: 1.5
This phone has two mail applications by default, one called 'email' and
another called 'gmail'. Both displayed PGP/MIME messages without
On Feb 27, 2011, at 5:17 PM, David Shaw wrote:
Can I see the HCI study that MIME attachments confuse people? ;)
I would love to see such a study. However, I never made that claim. :)
Someone else made the claim PGP/MIME is superior because inline OpenPGP
signatures confuse people. Okay,
Hello list,
first of all: Sorry if my question reaches the wrong list, but I have a
question someone on this list may probably answer easily.
If a company has shared keys: How does encryption work then? Are several owners
of a share needed to encrypt data? I just try to find out how it works
I disagree with this. Obviously a bad signature doesn't say much (except
perhaps check your mail system - it's breaking things), but there is still
value in the continuity between multiple signed messages. It's important to
not make of that more than it is: for all I know there are 200
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
El 27-02-2011 20:54, Jean-David Beyer escribió:
Faramir wrote:
...
IMHO they would be even more confused if they can read the message.
And some others see the attached signatures and think Virus! Hit
delete, hit delete!.
...
If someone
I'm not at all surprised that you had those results. A limited subset of
people have support for OpenPGP signatures. A limited subset of those people
actually verify signatures. A limited subset of those people actually pay
attention to what those signatures say.
Yes: but one would hope
On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
I'm not at all surprised that you had those results. A limited subset of
people have support for OpenPGP signatures. A limited subset of those
people actually verify signatures. A limited subset of those people
actually pay attention
On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
I disagree with this. Obviously a bad signature doesn't say much (except
perhaps check your mail system - it's breaking things), but there is still
value in the continuity between multiple signed messages. It's important to
not make of
On 28/02/11 12:35 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
On Feb 27, 2011, at 5:17 PM, David Shaw wrote:
Can I see the HCI study that MIME attachments confuse people? ;)
I would love to see such a study. However, I never made that claim. :)
Someone else made the claim PGP/MIME is superior
On 28/02/11 2:02 PM, David Shaw wrote:
I'm not at all surprised that you had those results. A limited
subset of people have support for OpenPGP signatures. A limited
subset of those people actually verify signatures. A limited subset
of those people actually pay attention to what those
I think we're missing each other here. We have Martin (the real one), the
fake Martin (let's call him Marty), and various other people on a mailing
list. Martin always signs his messages. One day Marty shows up and tries to
pretend to be Martin. Martin, not wanting someone else to
On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
I think we're missing each other here. We have Martin (the real one), the
fake Martin (let's call him Marty), and various other people on a mailing
list. Martin always signs his messages. One day Marty shows up and tries
to pretend
On 02/27/2011 08:31 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
the default mail app on a Verizon Droid X running Android 2.2 has broken MIME
support.
Please post this bit of useful details to the Android PGP/MIME test
results thread started by Grant Olson, which actually has an acceptable
signal-to-noise
On 02/27/2011 10:22 PM, Ben McGinnes wrote:
On 28/02/11 2:02 PM, David Shaw wrote:
I'm not at all surprised that you had those results. A limited
subset of people have support for OpenPGP signatures. A limited
subset of those people actually verify signatures. A limited subset
of those
Please post this bit of useful details to the Android PGP/MIME test
results thread started by Grant Olson, which actually has an acceptable
signal-to-noise ratio.
As I have said a few times now, I have been out of town at a funeral. I have
just now returned and am for the most part
On Feb 27, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Denise Schmid wrote:
Hello list,
first of all: Sorry if my question reaches the wrong list, but I have a
question someone on this list may probably answer easily.
If a company has shared keys: How does encryption work then? Are several
owners of a share
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
El 28-02-2011 0:27, Robert J. Hansen escribió:
...
Then we're at an impasse, because that claim wouldn't fly with me. Let's
imagine Fake-Martin and Real-Martin (FM and RM).
FM: [message]
RM: Hey, that's not me! I'm me. See? I've signed
Not exactly Android, but FWIW, an iPod touch (which has the same mail program
as an iPhone) displays PGP/MIME just fine (as in shows the mail - but doesn't
verify the signature).
David
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On Feb 27, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
On Feb 27, 2011, at 5:17 PM, David Shaw wrote:
Can I see the HCI study that MIME attachments confuse people? ;)
I would love to see such a study. However, I never made that claim. :)
Someone else made the claim PGP/MIME is
On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Atom Smasher wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Aaron Toponce wrote:
However, I was in a discussion with a friend, and the topic came up that it
is theoretically possible to rebuild your private key if someone had access
to all your signed mail. We debated the size
On 28/02/11 2:59 PM, Grant Olson wrote:
I've been toying with the idea of expiring my key and seeing how
long it takes for anyone to notice. In fact, I've just decided I
will do this sometime in the next year. It'll be interesting to see
how long it takes people to notice even after I've
On 02/27/2011 11:29 PM, David Shaw wrote:
Not exactly Android, but FWIW, an iPod touch (which has the same mail program
as an iPhone) displays PGP/MIME just fine (as in shows the mail - but doesn't
verify the signature).
David
It's worth a lot.
Since the rational behind this thread
On 02/27/2011 11:48 PM, Ben McGinnes wrote:
On 28/02/11 2:59 PM, Grant Olson wrote:
I've been toying with the idea of expiring my key and seeing how
long it takes for anyone to notice. In fact, I've just decided I
will do this sometime in the next year. It'll be interesting to see
how long
- The service provider
Verizon Wireless.
- The make and model of the phone.
Droid X
- The droid version.
2.2.1
- The email application(s) installed.
Unknown: just the default Verizon Wireless email messaging app.
- If said application(s) displayed the text of a PGP/MIME message so
It depends on what you mean by a shared key. There is just giving a
copy of the key to multiple people (in which case any one of them can use it),
or there are various key splitting algorithms where a key is broken into a
number of pieces, and a specified subset of those pieces can come
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