Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-10 07:30:15 +0200 Patrick McFarland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:21, Adam Fedor wrote: RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about GNUstep. Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned that we are trying to organize a des

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Nicola Pero
On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:21, Adam Fedor wrote: >> RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about >> GNUstep. Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned that >> we are trying to organize a desktop. > > Honestly, I'd ask him to save the offer for maybe another f

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Philippe C.D. Robert
On 10.09.2006, at 13:03, Nicola Pero wrote: Can we advertise ObjC + GNUstep as a 'truly free' replacement for Java ? That would be fun. ;-) Not really, since you can perfectly develop highly complex multi- platform GUI apps in Java, whereas this is far from realistic with GNUstep, I am

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Chris Vetter
On 2006-09-10 14:33:22 +0200 Philippe C.D. Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally I would integrate Etoilé into GNUstep (granted the authors > agree), update the GNUstep website to reflect this new "GNUstep paradigm" > ("GNUstep" being a GNU desktop for X11 based Unices) and then adve

Re: Debug as default...

2006-09-10 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Patrick, It should, yes..Alternatively, if you built with strip on, it should strip the apps. Recent changes in GNUstep have eliminated any difference in the naming of debug, profile, or normal libraries... so you don't need to worry about the _p, _d, or whatever suffixes anymore. Current

question to backend/gui guru...

2006-09-10 Thread xavier . glattard
Hello I intend to write a SDL+OpenGL application based on gnustep. I can use gnustep-base without problem, but i'd like to use some parts of gnustep-gui (event management, ...) without any graphic or window class/function. SDL dont provides any graphic function, and I dont want to write à full

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Nicola Pero
> > Can we advertise ObjC + GNUstep as a 'truly free' replacement for Java ? > > That would be fun. ;-) > Not really, since you can perfectly develop highly complex multi- > platform GUI apps in Java, whereas this is far from realistic with > GNUstep, I am afraid. Good point ... I'm afraid I wa

Re: Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Yen-Ju Chen
On 9/10/06, Nicola Pero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can we advertise ObjC + GNUstep as a 'truly free' replacement for Java ? > > That would be fun. ;-) > Not really, since you can perfectly develop highly complex multi- > platform GUI apps in Java, whereas this is far from realistic with >

Re: question to backend/gui guru...

2006-09-10 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Xavier, You've given little information about what you're actually trying to do. Your email details how you would like to solve the issue, but doesn't clearly define what the issue is. Based on the fact that you briefly mention OpenGL, I assume you want to make a GNUstep application which dis

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Helge Hess
On Sep 10, 2006, at 18:19, Nicola Pero wrote: Good point ... I'm afraid I was thinking of the "server-side" Java. ;-) I mean, you know all those "enterprise applications" that have no GUI -- or that have a web interface as the user interface. :-) Well, for the advertisement. What would yo

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Philippe C.D. Robert
On 10.09.2006, at 21:34, Helge Hess wrote: On Sep 10, 2006, at 18:19, Nicola Pero wrote: Good point ... I'm afraid I was thinking of the "server-side" Java. ;-) I mean, you know all those "enterprise applications" that have no GUI -- or that have a web interface as the user interface. :-

Re: question to backend/gui guru...

2006-09-10 Thread xavier . glattard
Gregory, Thanks for your answer. I dont want to make a 'gnustep application', but an 'application using gnustep' ;-) Actually i want to make a tiny 3D game in objective C. You may see that as a training (for me) and a test of the efficiency of objective c for that kind of application. SDL is imh

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Marco Bardelli
Hi, i'm new to GNUstep, i know OpenStep using osx. I also trying to use the Hurd, but ... However, i believe that OpenStep is the best interface/specification to use a modern OS, using Objective-C (the best language). ...(a lot of advertisement from OpenStep. DPS ...) But GNUstep is not only t

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Helge Hess
On Sep 10, 2006, at 22:00, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote: Well, for the advertisement. What would you say, _why_ is GNUstep good for that? :-) Eg Ruby tries to get into that market by allowing the user to contruct flashy web 2.0 apps in a few minutes (and they do not seem to succeed). Do we h

Re: Advertisement for gnustep

2006-09-10 Thread Adam Fedor
On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Gregory John Casamento wrote: Adam, Is it an ad for new developers or an ad urging end-users to try GNUstep? It's more of an add to get more help, but I think getting more users would provide the same benefit. ___

Re: question to backend/gui guru...

2006-09-10 Thread Adam Fedor
As long as you don't call [NSApplication sharedApplication] (or, in fact, initialize NSApplication at all), you can use classes in the gui without a backend. But you have to be careful not to use any classes/methods that cause any display or drawing. Also you could create a dummy backend (som