[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-10 Thread Dan Stowell
Hi all, Some points re this discussion: Helen wrote: 1.CC-BY is not necessary for data and text-mining. Internet search engines such as google and social media companies do extensive data and text mining, and they do not limit themselves to CC-BY material. This is true even in the EU,

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-10 Thread Ross Mounce
Great points Dan, thank you * some sort of licensing IS generally necessary for data and text mining. * The Open Database Licence also appears to assert that digital material must be made available in a readily machine-interpretable form Perhaps academic works and the Open Access movement might

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-10 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Dan Stowell dan.stow...@eecs.qmul.ac.ukwrote: Hi all, Some points re this discussion: Helen wrote: Heather?? 1.CC-BY is not necessary for data and text-mining. Internet search engines such as google and social media companies do extensive data and

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-10 Thread Steve Hitchcock
This brings to mind the idea of the data paper, described here http://www.pensoft.net/J_FILES/Pensoft_Data_Publishing_Policies_and_Guidelines.pdf This seems to have been pioneered by this publisher. There is also a data paper journal in archaeology, JOAD

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-09 Thread Ross Mounce
1. CC-BY is not necessary for data and text-mining. In some sense true, it is not *strictly* necessary - but it sure does alleviate concerns over being sued! Google can 'get away with it' because they don't need to document the in-between steps - transparency. Researchers and academics

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-09 Thread Ross Mounce
Hi Heather, I'm aware we disagree on the licensing of Open Access from previous encounters and I don't want this devolve into a personal point scoring affair but I do have to take issue with your assertion that: just minutes ago you were proudly asserting that you and other researchers are

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-09 Thread Heather Morrison
On 2012-10-09, at 1:13 PM, Couture Marc wrote in response to this comment of mine: ... are researchers telling human research subjects that their contributions may be given on a blanket basis for third parties to sell? I would argue that CC-BY, where human subjects are involved, will