Goan Catholics denied access to celebrate feasts
Panaji (ICNS) -- Goa's Member of Parliament in Upper
House Shantaram
Naik
Isn't this the traitor who sold the island for a dime?
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Goan Catholics denied access to celebrate feasts
Panaji (ICNS) -- Goa's Member of Parliament in Upper House Shantaram
Naik has demanded that devotees should be allowed to celebrate two
annual Catholic feasts on the Anjediva Island, in
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It was just a thought that came about, WHY GOAN CATHOLICS CAN NEVER BE
LEADERS AND ONLY FOLLOWERS? Would the goan catholics come out on the net and
say something be it in the form of debate or just opinions on this topic? A
lot is being written about the election of pope, he did this he should
since i have been accused of writting exclusively about the brahmin
catholics, i now request for a little more space on the goanet from
messrs. Herman and Frederick to deal with the chardo catholic
these two gentlemen together with their associates have created a
wonderful medium where goans
--- Antonio Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ps. Phadtes, Helekars, Gadgils etc. please excuse
us as this is a purely internal matter of goan
catholics.
why would you, Sir, condescend to know what go
I hope you, Sir, do not want to exclude us from
expressing our views on the casteist
Mr. Teotonio R. de Souza writes: ''could each one writting
on the caste indicates what caste he belongs to ? ''
Senhor Teotonio, what good will it do ? you know it, i know it and
all of us know that catholics of celestial goa could be classified
Gilbert Lawrence:
Hi Antonio,
I fully agree with what you have said all along. My reading of Goan and
Indian history suggest so. However it is one thing to write a post on
Goanet and analyze what has been published with 'common sense and gut
feeling'.
It is another to have at least one or two
It appeasrs somehow Karla did not get this posting - hence posted again.
Karla,
Interested to know the meaning of the following terms:
1) Bahujan Samaj
2) Bhandari Samaj
And, what is the difference between the two?
Is the former CM Monohar Parrikar belongs to Bahujan Samaj or
Karla,
Interested to know the meaning of the following terms:
1) Bahujan Samaj
2) Bhandari Samaj
And, what is the difference between the two?
Is the current CM Monohar Parrikar belongs to Bahujan Samaj or Bhandari
Samaj or any other Samaj?
Just curious!
Cip Fernandes
UK
The other day there was an unfortunate stampede at the shrine[ temple?] of
Kalubai or Mandhara devi in Satara district of Maharashtra ,bordering Goa
near Pernem. The NDTV news report stated that Kalubhai is not really a Hindu
deity and that her worshippers are not hindus. [The are generally
dear gilbert lawrence
let me begin by saying that i do believe that there were forcible
conversions in the 16th century and that only the original inhabitants
of velhas conquistas were subjected to the fiery ordeal.
the descendants of those 16 th century goan catholics are still there
today but
Got it. Thanks.
venantius
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GL responds:
I don't know how this discussion is related to the above title. It does
not even apply to what is the custom in Goa? (Which I do not know!)
However the courts in the case below are not addressing 'the child's
future'. The courts are addressing: Can
GL responds:
I don't know how this discussion is related to the above title. It does
not even apply to what is the custom in Goa? (Which I do not know!)
However the courts in the case below are not addressing 'the child's
future'. The courts are addressing: Can a child deemed an upper caste
(and
Gilbert,
I regret have fallen behind on keeping track of Goanet posts. However, I am
sure others will have noted that we are discussing CASTE and not Class as
per your post. There is a significant difference between the two.
Regards,
Cornel
The case below is interesting and is also politically motivated. Although,
the court says that the child is entitled to the fathers caste; it should
not immediately follow that the court is insistent-- that the childs
future, be determined by accepting the ruling prima facie.
The courts way of
See
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1004599.cms
SC: Illegitimate child takes on father's caste
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JANUARY 29, 2005 02:46:13 AM ]
NEW DELHI: Supreme Court has ruled that a child born out of wedlock is entitled
to his or her father's lineage.
By holding
Goan Catholics non twice-born Hindus
Re: Caste, Conversion ani Confusao
Antonio Menezes ( January 27, 2005)
I thought it would be safer to use instead the words ''non-twice-born''
to describe this overwhelming majority of social class before their
conversion to Christianity.
Sachin Phadte (Jan
hello cip,
thank you for taking time off to read my post. i think you and all
other goanetters should not take this caste business seriously, which
is in any case, in this modern electronic age , is nothing but arrant
nonsense.
interested, may be, for the sake of intellectual curiosity and
Antonio,
It appears that Antonio has very good knowledge of Hinduism compare to an
average practicing Hindu as well as average Hindu from Hindu Nation.
these three castes are collectively known as twiceborn castes.
Will appreciate to know the source of the above statement.
the word
Goan Catholics non twice-born Hindus
GL responds:
Do I understand from this (below) that Goan Catholics were converts from
non-twice born Hindus? Then, prior to their conversion they were
'sudras, outcastes and untouchables'? In other words, the Hindus changed
their religion, their village of
Antonio,
Many thanks for your clarification on your use of non twice born. I found
it very helpful.
Regards,
Cornel
From: Antonio Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a hindu who has led a pious life is rewarded with another birth: a very
good but not yet a perfect life leads to rebirth as a brahmin; and in
decending order one could be born as a kshatriya or as a vaisya . these
three castes are collectively known
Joe Lobo,
This is just a quick note to say that I too have been intrigued by Antonio's
view on the query you raised about the twice born.
I have been in touch with Antonio Mascarenhas for some time on email as he
and I share an utter repugnance regarding Catholic Goan caste belief and
joe, it would appear that the use of the term 'non twiceborn hindu' in
my post dated jan 24 has created a bit of confusion in the mind of the
goanetters who are not familiar with terms normally used whilst
discussing the hindu caste set-up.
the word twiceborn is, indeed, associated with the
GL responds:
I was using the terminology from the original thread. Just trying to
stay on topic. :)). Perhaps we will soon hear from the original source
on all these inquiries. Did the Hindus change their religion and their
caste to the newly adopted village in which they settled down?
Regards
Dear Gilbert ,
Could you please explain what exactly you mean by the phrase in
brackets. ie non-twice born .Has the expression anything to
do with the Hindu philosophy of re-incarnation.ie being born again as
a new physical being ?
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:03 AM
Subject: [Goanet]goan catholics - who are they ?
many MRGs i.e. non resident goans who come to goa on holiday during
the christmas season from the u.k. and canada ask me the same quesion:
who were we , before we became catholics.
the answer is: a minority
GL responds:
Good article!
As I study the post, I wondered how this explanation ties in with the
caste of the Catholic Goans after their conversion.
Would you say that the majority of Goan Catholics were non-Brahmins and
non-Chardo (non-twice born)? How does the demographic distribution of
Goans
many MRGs i.e. non resident goans who come to goa on holiday during
the christmas season from the u.k. and canada ask me the same quesion:
who were we , before we became catholics.
the answer is: a minority of todays catholics has a hindu ancestor(
non twice born hindus, the brahmins having
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