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On 10/12/2007, CORNEL DACOSTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
... As to Gabe, I have not had the time to reply but
rest assured that I believe Gabe is entirely wrong if he says that
'Catholic' Goan casteism is widespread in London. Indeed, another of
his posts says the exact opposite-
Hi Santosh,
I did not realize that the persons you mention below were trying to "portray
themselves as superior" to me. How silly of me? Of course they are superior to
this supurlo Goenkar. Ani tea bair they are superior to all supurlo Goenkars
of all caste. Why do you not fight your own
Hi Cornel,
I did not mention anything about the CONFRARIAS. Yes they stand merged and i
do not know whether they have distinguising vestments. i wrote about the
COMMUNIDADES, which by the way women are not allowed to be members of
--
marie
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:32:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
In short, how much does caste play a role in the day
to day lives of Goans today?
>
By all means let's fight prejudice and discrimination
and caste where we find it, but let's also give Goa
its due credit in having ove
Hi Victor
I am totally flummoxed by Gilbert's very strange logic that you should have
presented your speech on caste not in Lisbon but in Goa. It is in Lisbon that
you faced the issue and not in Goa irrespective of the fact that Goa reeks of
caste, generates it, and exports it to places like
Hi Gilbert
I referred to Aldona from a point raised by Marie and because I was armed
with some info that you have studiously avoided answering. Being silent when
questioned on specific issues is now your style and I regret I do not buy it.
Why don't you stand up and be counted as reiterated by
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:58:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Is Gilbert trying to say that Cornel, Mario, Victor
and RKN, who criticized his creative definition of
casteism, are simply mediocre Goans, while Gilbert is
the one with achievements?
>
Mario adds:
>
Who knows a
We gather in Goa, London, Chicago, even in Rio, never to hear any of this in
conversation, pray, why then on the net ! eric.
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:49:28 +
From: "Gabe Menezes"
>
What guts are required ? I have never had a problem,
wit
--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marie,
> >
> Thank you so much for confirming, FROM GOA, WITH A
> VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, that the contention by some
> Goanetters, WHO DO NOT LIVE IN GOA, that caste is
> not
> a problem in Goa, or that it is only relegated to
> the
> matrimonial ads
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gabe speaks of CURRENT casteism in UK and Victor
> speaks of casteism's PRESENT existence in Portugal.
> Interesting that Victor gave his speech on casteism
> in Portugal and not in Goa. The overwhelming
> opinion among native residents is, its
Hi Ed,
Thanks for your insights. My experience is similar to yours, when I attended
the New Year's eve dance in Toronto. If they display it to me living in USA,
(I drink Johnny Walker Blue or the model of their car), they likely display
more of it when they come to Goa. No caste issue - just
Arre Cornel-baba,
Instead of worrying about Aldona, why do not you worry about casteism currently
being practiced in London and UK? And solve the present casteism that Gabe
Menezes so succinctly outlined. One way you could solve it is by not
practicing it on Goanet.
Can you explain to us why
Tavares, a grandson of Aldona...
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:29:58 -0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> goanet@lists.goanet.org> Subject: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds
> on caste - to Marie> > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:32:56 +0530> From: "Marie
&g
Gabe speaks of CURRENT casteism in UK and Victor speaks of casteism's PRESENT
existence in Portugal. Interesting that Victor gave his speech on casteism in
Portugal and not in Goa. The overwhelming opinion among native residents is,
its ABSENCE in Goa; where Caste exists.
Question: Is casteis
Hi Marie
It is nice to hear from you. Re Aldona, having just returned from a visit to
Goa, I was led to understand that, the two caste based confrarias (spelling?)
were obliged to merge, to avoid embarrassment, when the late Pope visited Goa.
However, that the 'vestments' used in the single
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:49:28 +
From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
What guts are required ? I have never had a problem,
with Bamons - I have danced with all the Bamon girls
to my hearts content !
>
Mario responds:
>
Did you have the guts to tell them that there are no
Bamons in true Ch
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Goans not uncommonly portray themselves as superior
> than another Goan (specially one with achievements);
> which gives their mediocrity some oomph. This is
> regularly seen on Goanet.
>
Is Gilbert trying to say that Cornel, Mario, Victor
and
On 08/12/2007, Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Gabe,
>
> What does it take to get 'class'? Can it be taught or self-learnt like so
> many things in life?
RESPONSE: Sometimes, please don't take what I write as being 'kosher'
I did that deliberately to elicit some emotions !
--
D
This hurts. Mario is married to a physician. I studied with Crystal, and i
knew the hospitality of her father, a physician too. They were noble people,
anyway you choose to define it. Of Portuguese-Bombay native descent, they owned
land and homes in Santa Cruz-Juhu. Mario and i share common a
(Hi Gabe,
What does it take to get 'class'? Can it be taught or self-learnt like so many
things in life?
Presenting oneself as intellectually superior is nothing more than a form of
Goan casteism. It is nice to be important.
But it is more important to be nice. And perhaps that may be "Class".
If you ask my opinion on the above topic , it's nothing got to with caste in
simple terms the biggest problem in Goa is Jealousy, crab mentality , and
disunity amongst Goans. If the mind set of Goans are changed positively on
issues of what i have mentioned then petty issues like caste and the l
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:32:56 +0530
From: "Marie D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
I have recently come to know that Communidades in Goa
- or at least definitely in Aldona have 2 Presidents
and 2 groups. One is for the upper caste/s and the
other for the Sudhras.
>
Only when the Communidade in each
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:53:53 -0800
From: Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Some excerpts:
>
If we are not clear thinking, we will not solve the
problem. For my education, I ask you: Is the problem
in UK related to caste? OR is it the insidious
attitude of Goans that "I am superior that you"
d de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - to
> (You have, now, gone & metamorphose the mucho mach Nehru, Pandit & all,
> into Indira's mamma!
> However, she was PM considerably after her mapa Nehru; i
Gabe Menezes wrote:
I do not believe it is a problem in Goa.
I do think it is a problem though in the U.K. as it was in East Africa.
Gilbert Lawrence asked:
If we are not clear thinking, we will not solve the problem. For my
education, I ask you: Is the problem in UK related
Hi Gabe,
What does it take to get 'class'? Can it be taught or self-learnt like so many
things in life?
Lack of class shows itself in several forms, which have been described with
many phrases. On Goanet, it may show as, "Last Wordism", a phrase coined by
amcho Fred.
Those who insists on 'l
Well said Marie, and let us all hope, pray & use our (GOD-given) brains to get
both together so that all act as one, together you win, divided will mean one
rule for one and another for the other. Casteism will never get us anywhere, it
has been said on this forum ad nausium but I am a great sup
If we want to change people's hearts and minds on caste what we need to do at
the start is change the mindset of people / members of Institutions promoting
caste.
I have recently come to know that Communidades in Goa - or at least definitely
in Aldona have 2 Presidents and 2 groups. One is fo
Hi Gabe,
You have given more insights into the problem of caste among Goans than others
in zillions of postings on this topic. Thank you for being honest and up
front. And with your talents as a scribe, your English is unquestionably good.
I noticed your statement, "I do think it is a problem
Hi Victor
I found it of much interest that you delivered a strong speech against
casteism when at the Goan Convention in June.
I was to attend the same Convention and planned to speak on casteism too but
unfortunately, the Convention date clashed with another conference I had to
attend
gt;
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - to
(You have, now, gone & metamorphose the mucho mach Nehru, Pandit & all,
into Indira's mamma!
However, she was PM considerably after her mapa Nehru; in between
stepped in the little red Sashtri, who pr
Thu Dec 6 02:08:25 PST 2007
From: edward desilva guirimboy at yahoo.co.uk
>
I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I SAY IT AGAIN. You write
post A LOT OF RUBBISH on Goanet, and after each
sentence you contradict yourself in the next. You
have made Caste System your Obsession because you have
nothing better t
Hi,
I had said earlier to Bandare that my friend Mario does not comprehend his
comprehension here is the proof.
Mario, Gabe said - 'I AM THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE' (devils advocate is an entity
- it cannot be thanked) OK Mario!!
Secondly YOU cannot change the 'Heart', heart is just a pump - it c
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mario responds:
> > >
> > Basilio,
>
> > I do not even recognize your observation that
> > confrontation has been tried and has made things
> > worse. I have seen or heard very few Goans even
> > speaking out agains
On 06/12/2007, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my never humble opinion, the small number of expat
> Goans confronting this abomination on Goanet are
> showing they have the guts to do so.
QUESTION: What guts are required ? I have never had a problem, with
Bamons - I have danced with
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:37:37 +
From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
I am playing the Devil's advocate here, if it ain't
broke why fix it ? As they say in American parlance!
>
The Bamons are happy with the status quo and so are
the non bamons, in Goa. The only people who get
irritated se
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:08:25 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste -
> to (Mario Goveia)> > "Would the Brits have left India without being>
> confronted by Mahatma Gan
"Would the Brits have left India without being
confronted by Mahatma Gandhi? Would the Portuguese
have left Goa without being confronted by Indira
Gandhi?"
RESPONSE:
I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I SAY IT AGAIN.
You write post A LOT OF RUBBISH on Goanet, and after each sentence you
contradict
> Mario responds:
> >
> Basilio,
> I do not even recognize your observation that
> confrontation has been tried and has made things
> worse. I have seen or heard very few Goans even
> speaking out against caste, leave alone confronting
> it. When I bring up the su
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:13:31 -0500
From: "basilio Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Some excerpts:
>
The perniciousness of the caste in Goan society was
battled decades ago and continues to be battled till
today, and statements were made, and positions staked.
Documents were issued, etc. and those
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